Harvey Elliot

Liamo said:
Whether we like it or not, the law says that:



Under the law it's irrelevant whether it was accidental, unintentional or unfortunate - and it was all of these. If the opponent's safety was endangered (and it clearly was) then it's a red card.
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Which pretty much could be any sliding tackle. It only takes the wrong angle or for a foot to be planted for a leg to be broken.
 
Just had another look at it on Twitter. Not sure I agree it was a red. Genuine attempt to win the ball, legs got tangled, and the Leeds players body weight fell on Elliotts ankle, making twist and break.
 
Seen far worse tackles over the years, just a really unfortunate incident. I still remember when Pog wiped out that Man Utd youngster years ago and Fergie was doing his dinger.
 
Liamo said:
Whether we like it or not, the law says that:



Under the law it's irrelevant whether it was accidental, unintentional or unfortunate - and it was all of these. If the opponent's safety was endangered (and it clearly was) then it's a red card.
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So rewind back to 1991 and Gary Charles would be shown a red card for the coming together with Gazza which left the latter seriously injured?
 
BurneoFunction said:
Which pretty much could be any sliding tackle. It only takes the wrong angle or for a foot to be planted for a leg to be broken.
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Any tackle where there is a slight chance of physical contact, let's be honest. I cracked my metatarsals hitting the ball at the same time as a defender. No contact but it was a fair and robust challenge.
 
Liamo said:
Whether we like it or not, the law says that:



Under the law it's irrelevant whether it was accidental, unintentional or unfortunate - and it was all of these. If the opponent's safety was endangered (and it clearly was) then it's a red card.
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Absolutely this. The number of people that don't know the rules is astounding.
 
It's one of those ones where he broke the rules of the game, but not through malice or absolute recklessness. It's unlucky for him but it was probably a red and I've seen deserved reds for far more innocuous things than that. For me the issue was that he was from behind and off the ground for part of the tackle
 
"Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play."

So we need a lunge and then either excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent.

Did it endanger the safety of an opponent? Yes as evidenced by the injury. Seems straightforward.

Was it a lunge? Depends how they are defining a lunge. A quick Google says "a sudden forward thrust of the body, typically with an arm outstretched to attack someone or seize something." So going by this definition yes it was.

Red card upheld.
 
By the definition there should be a number of red cards each game. I saw a worse challenge in the game tonight and the player wasn't even spoken to.
 
TeaCider said:
They are?

Most don't endanger the safety of an opponent though.

Somebody's ankle being dislocated by your tackle is very clearly endangering their safety, whether it was intentional or not.
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So are you arguing that a player should be punished on the outcome of the injury rather than how reckless the tackle was at the time?

If you look through videos of Boro games you will find many instances where both our players and the opposition will have had numerous players dismissed in every game.

The tackle that injured Elliott was repeated in the first televised game played since without a card being shown, was that due to no injury occuring?
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
So are you arguing that a player should be punished on the outcome of the injury rather than how reckless the tackle was at the time?

If you look through videos of Boro games you will find many instances where both our players and the opposition will have had numerous players dismissed in every game.

The tackle that injured Elliott was repeated in the first televised game played since without a card being shown, was that due to no injury occuring?
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Yes.

If you send a player to hospital because of your tackle, you should be sent off, even if it is an unfortunate accident.

You can say there was no intent, and I agree, but it was his leg that dislocated Harvey Elliot's ankle.

There are absolutely loads of tackles in every game that would be leg breakers if they were mistimed by half a second, and they'd undoubtedly be sent off if they had mistimed it but it get waved away even if they miss the ball as long as they don't connect with the player.
 
TeaCider said:
Yes.

If you send a player to hospital because of your tackle, you should be sent off, even if it is an unfortunate accident.

You can say there was no intent, and I agree, but it was his leg that dislocated Harvey Elliot's ankle.
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I'm sorry but I don't agree with you. It's the tackle itself that needs to be outlawed if it is deemed dangerous.

What you're saying is it's ok to do what you want so long as there's no injury.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
I'm sorry but I don't agree with you. It's the tackle itself that needs to be outlawed if it is deemed dangerous.

What you're saying is it's ok to do what you want so long as there's no injury.
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No, I'm saying that incapacitating another player should be a punishable offence regardless of the style of tackle or intent.
 
TeaCider said:
Yes.

If you send a player to hospital because of your tackle, you should be sent off, even if it is an unfortunate accident.

You can say there was no intent, and I agree, but it was his leg that dislocated Harvey Elliot's ankle.
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I was going to post this earlier.

The idea of being sent off if you hurt someone is ridiculous. When I ran a Sunday morning team, I had an 18 year-old playing for me who was brilliant. A good friend and ex-work colleague of mine was playing for the opposition and tackled this kid. Both players got the ball, but the opposition player was of stronger physique due to being older than him. My player went down and we all knew he was badly injured. The lad had dislocated his knee in the tackle and ended up being taken to hospital.

There was nothing wrong with the tackle, both players got the ball, one was stronger than the other.
 
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