Hancock wants Teesside in Tier 3

JM14 said:
True, but if a vaccine does become available early 2021 then they have managed it perfectly and saved thousands of lives
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And if it doesn't they have ruined millions of lives and many will have died needlessly from other issues and indeed suicide.
 
Tommy_Dickfingers said:
I know they're all devolved but you would expect some cohesion between all four.
I think BJ has made an absolute mess of Englands response but the other leaders don't get away with it in my opinion.
Sturgeon has used this whole situation to play a political game of oneupmanship right from the off.
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Disagreeing with the current shambled of an English response isn't political oneupmanship. To think this you must be falling for the bile that the Government are spewing. Same with Burnham. He's fighting for similar help to the old furlough scheme but the Government now say 66% is enough, not 80%. This is a political decision but they call opposition to this political point scoring.

The Tories closed the mines, now they are destroying the hospitality sector along with millions of lives because they are too tight to pay an additional 14% help to the poorest in society. It's an outrage.
 
JM14 said:
True, but if a vaccine does become available early 2021 then they have managed it perfectly and saved thousands of lives
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I don’t think the Tories can ever come out of this looking good, it has to be a damage limitation exercise from now. It’s been too much of a shambles in all sorts of ways.
 
MolteniArcore said:
Disagreeing with the current shambled of an English response isn't political oneupmanship. To think this you must be falling for the bile that the Government are spewing. Same with Burnham. He's fighting for similar help to the old furlough scheme but the Government now say 66% is enough, not 80%. This is a political decision but they call opposition to this political point scoring.

The Tories closed the mines, now they are destroying the hospitality sector along with millions of lives because they are too tight to pay an additional 14% help to the poorest in society. It's an outrage.
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Come on, so you're telling me that Sturgeon isn't playing a game ?
She knows exactly what she's doing hence the recent polls giving her 58% in favour of independence.
Sure as night follows day, as soon as this current situation is over she will be using the Westminister governance (or lack of it) to push for another referendum.

Whether you agree with the Tories handling of the situation or not, believe me I have never voted for them and never will, she is playing her own game as well.
 
ChrisTheRed said:
And if it doesn't they have ruined millions of lives and many will have died needlessly from other issues and indeed suicide.
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but at the moment it is looking increasingly likely that we will have a vaccine for next year, makes sense to keep restrictions until then, if it was going to be 10 years then thats a totally different situation
 
HolgateCorner said:
I don’t think the Tories can ever come out of this looking good, it has to be a damage limitation exercise from now. It’s been too much of a shambles in all sorts of ways.
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I meant other countries that have managed it well, certainly couldnt say we have managed it perfectly :LOL:
 
JM14 said:
but at the moment it is looking increasingly likely that we will have a vaccine for next year, makes sense to keep restrictions until then, if it was going to be 10 years then thats a totally different situation
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A vaccine may be ready (oven ready?!) by the start of 2021 but would you expect it to be widely distributed before the following winter?
 
American_Mary said:
Is there any evidence that Tier 3 lockdowns work I haven’t seen any figures from Liverpool or Lancashire that show what impact the tightening of restrictions have had on the spread of the virus, and what’s the road map to ease those restrictions without reverting to increasing the infection rate ? What is happening in cities and areas that are still in Tier 1, what are they doing differently that’s controlling the spread of infection ? are the differences environmental, cultural, social or are there better controls in place ? Has the wearing of masks made a difference ?
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My understanding is from an article I was reading this morning (annoyingly I cant find the article in my search history, but I'm sure it was on the BBC website) is that no impact of Tier 3 lockdowns will be apparent for 2-3 weeks based on the week or so for symptoms to show and another week or so for the data to catch up any lags

The cynic in me thinks this is just a way of mitigating any govt response to any lack of effect shown from a Tier 3 lockdown area. However in the interests of fair play, this was a scientist saying the effect of a lockdown will be delayed, rather than one of the govt muppets

As for a pathway out of lockdown, I've yet to see anything which stipulates the criteria for doing so. It just seems arbitrary, but no doubt we will have our govt advisors coming up with something to justify and validate coming out, or indeed extending it

Manchester seems to be on a significant decline in cases (data is from 2 days ago, I cant find anything newer than this) and that is before they have entered Tier 3. If they continue to decline at a 'good' rate, will the govt then decide they don't need to be escalated as it will same them money, the fact businesses will therefore not qualify for financial support is just an ancillary problem Manchester will then have to deal with alone

I appreciate the other areas are still increasing and the Tier 3 proposal area is not just Manchester itself, but the Greater Manchester area including these other areas. The waters just get muddier each day it seems

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Tommy_Dickfingers said:
Come on, so you're telling me that Sturgeon isn't playing a game ?
She knows exactly what she's doing hence the recent polls giving her 58% in favour of independence.
Sure as night follows day, as soon as this current situation is over she will be using the Westminister governance (or lack of it) to push for another referendum.

Whether you agree with the Tories handling of the situation or not, believe me I have never voted for them and never will, she is playing her own game as well.
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No, I don't. I think it's just a brilliant coincidence for her that as she follows the science and Johnson does not he manages to look incompetent whilst she looks like she knows what she is doing. Neither of them know what they are doing but she knows, as do most other leaders around the world, that you need to act quickly and aggressively for actions to work. Johnson still can't bring himself to do this.

The 58% in favour isn't just because Strugeon is 'playing a game' - it's because Johnson is taking us into a no deal brexit in a global pandemic just as a second wave is starting and he refuses to back any lockdown measures up with science. A donkey could get increased support for independence with that clown as PM.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
You mentioned business leaders earlier. Who are they for this area, and which major businesses do they represent?
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No idea mate. But I'm sure business leaders would rather have financial support from the government than make staff redundant and shut down businesses?
 
Boroproud said:
If i pay £2.50 i have a chance of winning the euro lottery tonight. If i dont, i have no chance.
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Well if Covid was a lottery then your point would be valid. But it isn't.

Lockdown or no lockdown you could catch it and die or you could catch it and have no problems or you might not even catch it.

However, if you lockdown you are more likely to no longer have a job and to have poorer mental health and potentially physical health.
 
ChrisTheRed said:
Well if Covid was a lottery then your point would be valid. But it isn't.

Lockdown or no lockdown you could catch it and die or you could catch it and have no problems or you might not even catch it.

However, if you lockdown you are more likely to no longer have a job and to have poorer mental health and potentially physical health.
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So let's sll sit with our thumbs up our **** and hope for the best.
 
ChrisTheRed said:
However, if you lockdown you are more likely to no longer have a job and to have poorer mental health and potentially physical health.
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You can get another job, your mental health can improve as can your physical health given time and care. Silly to say "millions" of lives ruined its just making up numbers. You can't bring back dead grannies, uncles, sisters etc. their absence will not improve. Lockdown (done properly) can save jobs, botched ala Johnson and crew causes untold damage. And then we have Brexit to look forward to...
 
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