Gambling sponsorship ban?

SilentProf said:
Every pound won by one person is lost by someone else along with the cut taken by the betting company and taxes. One person buying alcohol doesn’t affect the next in the same way but if that’s your argument, why not legalise drugs and guns and let people drive without a licence?
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It’s funny you mention licences because if this goes through unlicensed gambling will flourish and instead of going to the treasury via betting duty the taxes you speak of will end up in the hands of unlicensed backstreet bookies. As part of their licence applications bookmakers have to put in place punter protection mechanisms like self exclusion, time and deposit limits and believe you me none of these will be offered by the sharks waiting to fill the vacuum.
Why in Gods name should a grown man have to produce his P60 before he can have a pony each way on the National or Cheltenham?
The one good thing that might come out of this is a return to the on course market and high st because I can’t imagine a line of punters in front of the layers at York all with bank statements in hand just before the Ebor is off. Or does Ms Harris want to deny us a day at the races as well?
 
American_Mary said:
I actually think it will have a boost to employment as betting offices that don't come under those limitations will see an increase in footfall. It's sad that people suffer from addiction and I agree that they need support Betting Duty brings in £3m a year to government coffers surely a portion of that money should be ringfenced to fund help to those that have problems with gambling.
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It may increase turnover in the shops Mary but it will be to the detriment of the punter. Increased overheads on the High St usually means 7/4 online is 13/8 or 6/4 in the shops. I just hope it strengthens the on course market.
 
Jimstewart said:
It’s funny you mention licences because if this goes through unlicensed gambling will flourish and instead of going to the treasury via betting duty the taxes you speak of will end up in the hands of unlicensed backstreet bookies. As part of their licence applications bookmakers have to put in place punter protection mechanisms like self exclusion, time and deposit limits and believe you me none of these will be offered by the sharks waiting to fill the vacuum.
Why in Gods name should a grown man have to produce his P60 before he can have a pony each way on the National or Cheltenham?
The one good thing that might come out of this is a return to the on course market and high st because I can’t imagine a line of punters in front of the layers at York all with bank statements in hand just before the Ebor is off. Or does Ms Harris want to deny us a day at the races as well?
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If you’re having to use backstreet bookies to get around income verification rules, you already have a problem or you can’t afford to gamble. You have to do it for a loan or a credit card, so why not gambling over a certain amount? Rules like this are put in place to protect the most vulnerable.
 
SilentProf said:
If you’re having to use backstreet bookies to get around income verification rules, you already have a problem or you can’t afford to gamble. You have to do it for a loan or a credit card, so why not gambling over a certain amount? Rules like this are put in place to protect the
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Ok If I use matched betting, like thousands do, to make an income and do not have a job what do I do once affordability checks come in? I’d be snookered wouldn’t I because my turnover is massively restricted which makes it impossible to operate.

What If I use trading software to trade exchange sports markets to make my income and don’t have a traditional “job” and what do I do? I’m snookered again aren’t I because once one the the many trades made on a single market loses according to the proposed restrictions I won’t be allowed another one for a month.

What if I use software provided by the matched betting companies to exploit the mathematical loopholes in the bookmakers place terms on extra place and each way markets to make my income but don’t have a traditional job? I’m snookered again because the natural market variance which the likes of Carolyn Harris will never of heard of will ensure I will be not be able to operate.

What if I have a low to middle income job like thousands of others will one of the large bookmaking outfits who will be certain to commit to redundancies once their online turnover inevitably falls through the floor? I’m snookered aren’t I because there’s a global pandemic which has laid waste to the economy and the jobless totals are going through the roof. My family will undoubtably suffer and will be forced on to benefits. If I could I might look at matched betting as a simple way to make an income but hang on I haven’t got a job now and can’t prove my income.

What if I’m one of the many employed in the racing industry working in the small yards around the country or have one of the many small businesses that supply the industry and employ people? I’m snookered aren’t I because a reduction in bookmaker turnover means a reduction in levy and betting duty which means a reduction in prize money which then means a reduction in owners which then means that trainers pay staff off and don’t need to be supplied by the thousands of poor buggers who’s livelihoods go out of the window.

So when you are trying to protect the small minority of vulnerable punters (that already have self exclusion and deposit limits in place to try and keep them on the straight and narrow) have a think about the people that are about hit the buffers in all of the above ways.
For the many not the few eh? Bollckks.
 
SilentProf said:
If you’re having to use backstreet bookies to get around income verification rules, you already have a problem or you can’t afford to gamble. You have to do it for a loan or a credit card, so why not gambling over a certain amount? Rules like this are put in place to protect the most vulnerable.
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And as far as backstreet bookies are concerned would you rather a vulnerable punter be in the hands of a licensed bookmaker with self exclusion mechanisms and deposit limits or big Harry who will send the boys round at the end of the month? Thought so.

And gambling on credits cards with online operators was banned by the gambling commission nearly a year ago so they can’t do that either.

As far as doing it for a loan goes I’ve no idea what that means?
 
There is a serious gambling issue out there, especially among the youngsters.

Every advert around football is a gambling one and lots are throwing their disposable income away on it every week, probably more so at the moment as they can’t do anything else.
Seen it first hand with my son and his mates, nephews, lads at work - it’s totally epidemic in male culture and has been for the last 20 years since the rules were changed and internet gambling took off
 
gravy173 said:
There is a serious gambling issue out there, especially among the youngsters.

Every advert around football is a gambling one and lots are throwing their disposable income away on it every week, probably more so at the moment as they can’t do anything else.
Seen it first hand with my son and his mates, nephews, lads at work - it’s totally epidemic in male culture and has been for the last 20 years since the rules were changed and internet gambling took off
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Since what rules were changed? The rules on gambling have been tightened since the gambling commission was established in 2007.
These youngsters must all be 18 plus otherwise they can’t get an account.
They can self exclude if it becomes a problem. They are given the option to set deposit limits to very small sums if they wish. There are organisations such as gamcare and be gamble aware to name two off the top of my head that are there to help problem gamblers.There are thousands ( the vast majority) of punters that enjoy a bet as a leisure activity. There are thousands that profit from things such as matched betting (which incidentally is not gambling) and thousands that are employed in the industry. Why should the vast majority suffer for a small minority?

I’m all for bookmakers increasing contributions to organisations such as gamcare but if draconian affordability checks come in the online industry will be buggered because those that do it for income won’t have traditional income to prove. Those that do it for leisure will not be arsed to send in P60s and bank statements for the sake of having a fiver on the 2.30 at Kempton. They just won’t bother. And those that have issues will be driven into the welcoming arms of unlicensed sharks that have none of the mechanisms such as self exclusion and deposit limits that the online operators have .
 
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gravy173 said:
There is a serious gambling issue out there, especially among the youngsters.

Every advert around football is a gambling one and lots are throwing their disposable income away on it every week, probably more so at the moment as they can’t do anything else.
Seen it first hand with my son and his mates, nephews, lads at work - it’s totally epidemic in male culture and has been for the last 20 years since the rules were changed and internet gambling took off
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The bigger surprise to me is that the gambling demographic is pretty universal with as many women as men gambling online yet those that seek help for problem gambling are over 85% men.
 
It's not a bad idea about Greggs or Mcdonalds not serving fatties😉. That or say 'are you sure you want to go large?'
 
American_Mary said:
A lot of co


The bigger surprise to me is that the gambling demographic is pretty universal with as many women as men gambling online yet those that seek help for problem gambling are over 85% men.
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The increase in female accounts may be due to the increase in matched betting as a way of supplementing income. Many students and stay at home mothers do it. Not for much longer if Ms Harris gets her way.
Incidentally she recently went from 19 stone to 12 stone which is admirable but she didn’t suggest a curfew on greggs for the rest of us that can handle the odd sausage roll.
 
Those making a living out of matched betting are doing so at the expense and misery of problem gamblers the same as bookies? The money must come from somewhere? Out if interest do you pay tax on your profits?
 
jam69 said:
Those making a living out of matched betting are doing so at the expense and misery of problem gamblers the same as bookies? The money must come from somewhere? Out if interest do you pay tax on your profits?
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The money comes from boom makers if it wins at the bookie, or traders if wins at the exchange. It’s not being fished out of some punters/problem gambler’s pocket.

And no, you won’t pay tax on gambling winnings.
 
Jimstewart said:
Since what rules were changed? The rules on gambling have been tightened since the gambling commission was established in 2007.
These youngsters must all be 18 plus otherwise they can’t get an account.
They can self exclude if it becomes a problem. They are given the option to set deposit limits to very small sums if they wish. There are organisations such as gamcare and be gamble aware to name two off the top of my head that are there to help problem gamblers.There are thousands ( the vast majority) of punters that enjoy a bet as a leisure activity. There are thousands that profit from things such as matched betting (which incidentally is not gambling) and thousands that are employed in the industry. Why should the vast majority suffer for a small minority?

I’m all for bookmakers increasing contributions to organisations such as gamcare but if draconian affordability checks come in the online industry will be buggered because those that do it for income won’t have traditional income to prove. Those that do it for leisure will not be arsed to send in P60s and bank statements for the sake of having a fiver on the 2.30 at Kempton. They just won’t bother. And those that have issues will be driven into the welcoming arms of unlicensed sharks that have none of the mechanisms such as self exclusion and deposit limits that the online operators have .
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I don’t think it’s such a small minority though Jim, I think people in your situation are in the minority making a living from playing the odds and there are many many lads blowing their wages on football bets, accas, handicap bets and the hundreds of markets you can bet on just one football match these days.

I don’t disagree that gambling is a leisure pursuit but it is absolutely everywhere in football - shirt sponsors, advertisement boards, adverts at half time and before kick off on tv and radio, even Wayne Rooney’s move to derby was sponsored by it unless it was a pure coincidence his squad number was 32
 
You should be able to gamble if you want. Just like you should be able to buy a perfectly pure E tablet down the pharmacy. We can dream.

But the advertisement of it needs to be reigned in for sure. I dont know how people can argue otherwise.
 
What response are you expecting to a study?

I imagine pretty high percentages of any group with problems won’t seek any help due to human nature, 5 seconds of googling shows alcoholism is 82% and that’s probably easier to measure
 
TheFair86 said:
What response are you expecting to a study?

I imagine pretty high percentages of any group with problems won’t seek any help due to human nature, 5 seconds of googling shows alcoholism is 82% and that’s probably easier to measure
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The response I hoped for would was his views on the following from the link I posted:

"Fewer than 3% of problem gamblers are receiving treatment, according to figures that lay bare the devastating effects on their finances, relationships and careers."

"There are around 280,000 problem gamblers in England alone, according to a 2018 study by NHS Digital, although a YouGov survey earlier this year found there could be 1.4 million across the UK."

I don't know what the link you are referring to wrt 82% is so I can't comment on that and I accept that there are problems with alcohol but this tread is about gambling issues not alcohol.
 
I used to gamble a lot.. Usually fruit machines but thankfully I managed to knock it on the head and then lockdown has meant zero temptation. Online has never really bothered me that much, don't enjoy it.
 
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