Galloway

There was certainly a lack of options in this by election. Given that labour couldn't endorse their candidate and it was too late to replace him, they effectively sat this one out and will concentrate their efforts on the GE when they will probably take the seat.
Just out of interest, and without trying to score political points, who do people think would be Labour's prefered winner out of the remaining candidates, or would they just take the approach of "don't really care, lets see what happens next time around"?
 
Good grief a right can of worms has been opened here I only mentioned Galloway was on the Radio yesterday saying he will win the Rochdale election . What's all this labour fighting about then ? I did see an article regarding Galloways win and Labour apparently the police were called because there was some fraudulent activity taking place with the votes regarding the Labour candidate and people being allowed to vote without ID in different polling stations . Ill try and find the news article later , I'm not sure how it all finished up but it was a real mess by all accounts.

Do many posters get 100 replies from their first threads when they join :)
Kerching!

You've won a prize! (y)
 
To be fair, that same opinion regarding the October attacks has been expressed on this forum several times. Along with extensive cut & paste articles educating us all that Israel had it coming.

I think there's a difference between "had it coming" and being able to understand why some events happen or even just trying to understand.

There was also opinions expressed on here after Oct 7th that Palestinians are just all very violent and antisemitic. To me that's not a particularly helpful explanation. You can't just completely ignore the history or geopolitics.
 
I know:)
But I keep hearing, he isn't left wing enough, I want some left wing policies... Like ! .........then silence.

I don't really get what your point is here. Are you trying to say there's no such thing as left wing ideology? Or that people wouldn't be able to conceive of a left wing policy? Or you think its something people say for show without really understanding what they're saying?
 
I think there's a difference between "had it coming" and being able to understand why some events happen or even just trying to understand.

There was also opinions expressed on here after Oct 7th that Palestinians are just all very violent and antisemitic. To me that's not a particularly helpful explanation. You can't just completely ignore the history or geopolitics.
Of course understanding why something happened can be important. But understanding it doesn't necessarily excuse it.
There were definitely posts very much of the tone that Israel had it coming. And also that Hamas are brave freedom fighters with a righteous cause.
I honestly can't remember people saying all Palestinians are violent and antisemitic.
Though it wouldnt surprise me as there did seem to be an odd need to take polarised sides.

It is perfectly reasonable to think all of the following are true:

* Israel have unfairly treated Palestine for decades.
* The October attacks by Hamas were disgusting and an outrage.
* Israel had the right to respond.
* Their response has been OTT resulting in the unnecessary death of thousands.
 
I don't really get what your point is here. Are you trying to say there's no such thing as left wing ideology? Or that people wouldn't be able to conceive of a left wing policy? Or you think its something people say for show without really understanding what they're saying?
“Not left-wing enough”?
Who has said that?
This obsession with Starmer is almost cultist.
His supporters allow Corbyn to live in their heads rent-free.
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Of course understanding why something happened can be important. But understanding it doesn't necessarily excuse it.
There were definitely posts very much of the tone that Israel had it coming. And also that Hamas are brave freedom fighters with a righteous cause.
I honestly can't remember people saying all Palestinians are violent and antisemitic.
Though it wouldnt surprise me as there did seem to be an odd need to take polarised sides.

It is perfectly reasonable to think all of the following are true:

* Israel have unfairly treated Palestine for decades.
* The October attacks by Hamas were disgusting and an outrage.
* Israel had the right to respond.
* Their response has been OTT resulting in the unnecessary death of thousands.
I'll go out on a limb here but I don't recall any direct condemnation of Palestinians on here after October 7th. The subject of people's disgust was Hamas and the atrocities it committed that day.

Echoing your sentiments, it is perfectly reasonable to agree with all of the following:-

* You can detest Netenyahu and Likud while sympathising with and grieving for the Israeli citizens murdered on that day
* You can detest Hamas and its leadership relaxing in luxury in Qatar while condemning the appalling atrocities inflicted by Israel on Palestinians in Gaza.
 
I don't really get what your point is here. Are you trying to say there's no such thing as left wing ideology? Or that people wouldn't be able to conceive of a left wing policy? Or you think its something people say for show without really understanding what they're saying?
Of course there is Left wing ideology, I used to read quite a bit about the early Labour movement, the Fabian Society and the Trade Union movement, I've been in 3 unions.
Social freedom of expression, social equality and social services that gives safety nets for us all, and especially the poor disabled and the less advantaged.
Paid through taxation so we are all to the left really.
Does it work ?
Well it has to imho, it really has to.
I think sometimes progress is made by the ballot box and a government who have enlightened people and they get behind progressive thinking.
There's benevolence or from good governance in the form of social progressive planning.
We all are given no other choice but to live in our society, so even the rich have to back it or we will take it off them, so I think sometimes progress is through fear of getting it taken from them.

Its beginning to surface now, Mr Sunak is trying to play dad to us all, hoping to win a few hearts and minds.

As for left wing policies, we have to convince society to build good subsidised social housing, geriatric care, the NHS, Dental care (Causes a lot coronary problems) Child Care, Public buildings, Schools and education etc etc. this is what posters should talk about, and how it can be funded.

Stop the wars, just defend ourselves and not everybody's foreign business interest. But keep the bomb, it stops the bullies.

In my life I've found It seems hard enough to get this establishment to not use every trick in the book to keep the Conservatives in power(unbias BBC my ar$e). I couldn't be blamed if I thought it was all a swizz really.

I posted yesterday my generation let the thieves in to sell the family silver and absolutely ruined this country. We are paying the price now with British gas earning massive profits and saying they are using the profit for green research FFS.

We have an opportunity to get in, the reason is Mr Starmer is the epitome of what they like and will allow or even would want to be.
But we have people who think he should wear a beret and blow our chances of pulling it back the other way for the mass of the people on these islands.

Starmer may not stay around long, and we need young people with vision and an appetite for progress in the Labour party.

We have to box clever, its been 14 years, and you know it could end up being 19.
Anyway that's me lot until the GE is over.
 
To be frank I haven't read all the posts - so apologies for that.

I am not comfortable with George Galloway - the 100% support of Saddam Hussain seriously concerns me. I did not support the US/UK invading Iraq, but I also thought Saddam was a brutal dictator.

The conflict in Gaza is important and a tradegy but in UK politics to me it should not be the dominant issue. I do believe in a full ceasefire and have for several months, but its getting to the point where Gaza has a greater importance that was is happening in the UK. When 1 million people died in the Balkans (i.e in Europe) and tens of millions of rapes, did politicians make speeches about it at UK hustings etc.
 
During that statement, he made a Holocaust comparison, saying: "If the by-election had been in February of 1940 or 41, would anyone seriously have condemned me for putting the crimes of the Holocaust at the centre of my election campaign?"

The International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance's working definition of antisemitism lists "drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis" among its examples.

In a statement, a spokesperson for the Campaign Against Antisemitism hit out at the new Rochdale MP, saying he "knows exactly where the line is and purposely strides over it".

They added: "Diminishing the Holocaust through this appalling comparison is repulsive, although at this point we should expect nothing less from Britain's newest MP."

I’m expecting a “that isn’t anti semitic” comment but given the example above it clearly is in the eyes of The IHRA

Maybe I am wrong 🤔
 
During that statement, he made a Holocaust comparison, saying: "If the by-election had been in February of 1940 or 41, would anyone seriously have condemned me for putting the crimes of the Holocaust at the centre of my election campaign?"

The International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance's working definition of antisemitism lists "drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis" among its examples.

In a statement, a spokesperson for the Campaign Against Antisemitism hit out at the new Rochdale MP, saying he "knows exactly where the line is and purposely strides over it".

They added: "Diminishing the Holocaust through this appalling comparison is repulsive, although at this point we should expect nothing less from Britain's newest MP."

I’m expecting a “that isn’t anti semitic” comment but given the example above it clearly is in the eyes of The IHRA

Maybe I am wrong 🤔

The IHRA definition is flawed though https://www.theguardian.com/news/2023/apr/24/un-ihra-antisemitism-definition-israel-criticism
 
Ah thought their might be an “issue”

So you believe Galloways comment was acceptable then?
There have always been problems with the examples contained in the definition, that's why Corbyn in his time as leader accepted the definition but regarded some of the examples as problematic.
 
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