Freeports

Nano said:
I don't support reducing tax take and giving advantages to big businesses. I was just calling out the hypocrisy in the people that argue for it on one hand but then argue against it when it suits them.
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Ah, I see. So you’re ignoring the subject and trying to create a personal argument with someone? I get you. We see that a lot on here
 
SmallTown said:
Ah, I see. So you’re ignoring the subject and trying to create a personal argument with someone? I get you. We see that a lot on here
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I'm asking for consistency. Nothing more. Either you oppose tax dodging or you support it. You clearly support it so it just strikes me as strange that you oppose it so specifically in this situation.

I'll be clear about it and let's see if you can do the same:

Businesses not paying Employer's National Insurance isn't always bad. It's a complicated world and there are times when people benefit from businesses taking tax breaks and there are times when the benefits don't outweigh the positives and it is just tax dodging. If it attracts jobs and investment to an area that would otherwise have none and it isn't at the detriment to another area that would suffer similarly then it might be a good thing. E.g. if businesses moved from London or Dubai to Teesside would be good, if they moved from Blackpool to Teesside then it wouldn't. Things like Salary Sacrifice is an NI reducing scheme which benefits employees as much, if not more, than employers. It can be used to give incentives to people like pensions etc.

It is impossible to use the argument "employer's not paying NI is bad" because it is too general. You are doing it here because Brexit = Bad and that is all you care about. I'd just appreciate some consideration and integrity in your responses instead of trying to flog the same horse without any reason or nuance once again.
 
All National Insurance goes into fund for public services

How many people will work in F/P zones - 100k to 200k? out of a working population of 30m, it will be less than 1% of the working population.

I agree is everyone didn't pay the 8% it would cause problems, but that it not the situation.
Laughing said:
I don't know but my assumption was that the tax take is less due to the tax/import incentives of a freezone.

I largely agree. Phil has said on numerous other videos that investment in infrastructure is how you equalize geographical inequalities. You can always offerr tax incentives outside of freeports also.



I agree, as I recall there isn't the legislation, at the moment, for no employer NI contribution, but I could be wrong about this.



You may be right, I am perhaps more sceptical than you and I have always believed the government needed to show a benefit, hence freeports, and patels rhetoric, despite immigration going up and freeports being allowable underr EU legislation.


I covered this above. You are right that if a freezone is busy enough it will still generate more tax take than not having it, but only if there is enough activity AND that business hasn't just relocated from somewhere else in the UK where they were paying a more conventional rate of tax. Also, how much revenue is lost via smuggling? To be clear I have no idea and smuggling could be negated with correct port policing, but do we have any faith that the tories will do that?


I think Phil said that there was no evidence for charter citiess at the moment, didn't he?


Maybe, I don't know. However what I would say is that tories don't allow greenfield development in their heartlands as it would annoy their core support.



Not sure what that was all about to be honest.

Overrall I am largely against freeports because they don't really work and their are other, more controlled mechanisms to get the same esults. The flip side, of course, is that if it brings work to a deprived area, that in itself isn't a bad thing. It only becaomes wrong if companies are allowed to abuse those workers.
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Cheer Laughing for your considered post. Time will tell if the new form of Freeports works or does not.

There does not seem to be any alternative offered by any of the English political parties and the EU Social funds were not effective enough to make a significant difference to Teesside.
 
SmallTown said:
Ah, I see. So you’re ignoring the subject and trying to create a personal argument with someone? I get you. We see that a lot on here
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Have you always paid the correct and standard rate of NI when you live been employed? I thought you voted Conservative as they were less likely to repeal the independent contractor’s loophole. Is it IR35 or something?
 
RoaryTheLion said:
I apologise. So just for clarity, you’ve always paid the correct employees rate for PAYE and NI?
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I see, another one of the “we can’t defend brexit, but we can’t admit we were duped” crowd who find it easier to ignore the Problems caused by brexit and just attack small town. I see you
 
SmallTown said:
I see, another one of the “we can’t defend brexit, but we can’t admit we were duped” crowd who find it easier to ignore the Problems caused by brexit and just attack small town. I see you
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I’m massively anti-Brexit. Just for the record, I agree with all your points in the thread. I’m just asking for clarification. There hasn’t been an attack. It’s a question. It would just be beyond hypocrisy for a poster to champion the need for NI contributions to be paid after avoiding them in his own career. Wouldn’t you agree?
 
RoaryTheLion said:
I’m massively anti-Brexit. Just for the record, I agree with all your points in the thread. I’m just asking for clarification. There hasn’t been an attack. It’s a question. It would just be beyond hypocrisy for a poster to champion the need for NI contributions to be paid after avoiding them in his own career. Wouldn’t you agree?
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Assuming you think the only issue with Freeport’s is businesses not paying NI? Which is a big issue but not the only one

So no, you’re wrong
 
SmallTown said:
Assuming you think the only issue with Freeport’s is businesses not paying NI? Which is a big issue but not the only one

So no, you’re wrong
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I’m wrong that we should expect everyone to pay the correct tax? That’s a strange opinion and a terrible attempt to deflect, even by your gargantuan standards.

Let’s try again:
Have you and any business you’re responsible for always paid the correct PAYE and NI?
If not, let’s hope that money wasn’t supposed to pay for medicine or school meals.
 
RoaryTheLion said:
I’m wrong that we should expect everyone to pay the correct tax? That’s a strange opinion and a terrible attempt to deflect, even by your gargantuan standards.

Let’s try again:
Have you and any business you’re responsible for always paid the correct PAYE and NI?
If not, let’s hope that money wasn’t supposed to pay for medicine or school meals.
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What is the relation to Freeport’s? Why do people just go off topic to try and have a pop at other people. Do you not think that’s petty?
 
RoaryTheLion said:
I’m wrong that we should expect everyone to pay the correct tax? That’s a strange opinion and a terrible attempt to deflect, even by your gargantuan standards.

Let’s try again:
Have you and any business you’re responsible for always paid the correct PAYE and NI?
If not, let’s hope that money wasn’t supposed to pay for medicine or school meals.
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Are you happy that workers rights will be reduced, and big corporations will use Freeport’s to dodge paying taxes?
 
SmallTown said:
Are you happy that workers rights will be reduced, and big corporations will use Freeport’s to dodge paying taxes?
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Absolutely not. I think any action that damages the masses of society is abhorrent.
SmallTown said:
What is the relation to Freeport’s? Why do people just go off topic to try and have a pop at other people. Do you not think that’s petty?
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Your sanctimonious nature is irksome. “Rules must be enforced unless they apply to me”. It’s the FMTTM version of Animal Farm.
 
Nano said:
Contractors don't give up anything. They are supposed to pay them themselves. It is businesses that give up the employer's NI. Contractors are free to take the entire amount as salary but choose to take it as dividends instead to reduce the amount of tax they pay. It a system to benefit businesses (and contractors) at the expense of the taxpayer.

You can't support that system and oppose freeports doing the same. The employees will still be within the UK. There will be no reduction of worker's rights. The only thing that changes is businesses not paying employer's NI which you are on board with.
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Contractors are tax payers, why the differentiation?
 
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