Fracking…supported by Sunak and Truss

Redwurzel

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There is supposedly a smaller nuclear power station type that has been developed by Rolls Royce. Looking over the next 10 years I would go for these opposed to Fracking. The Fracking industry has an history of damaging the environment particularly water supplies. Natural gas is soluable in water. Fracking involves pumping chemicals underground to create mini explosions or fractures to release small pockets of trapped gas. In the USA fracking occurs in areas that have less population density which has reduced the awareness of Fracking pollution. In the UK it would be different where population density is much higher. The gas indisurty is releasing considerable methane into the atmosphere and this is adding to global warming, Some say methane is a bigger problem than carbon.

I am happy for more solar and wind, but we need to significantly develop storage facilities, at present renewables can't be stored, so there is a energy supply risk when the weather is not correct for generating these sources of power.
 

Muttley

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Some say methane is a bigger problem than carbon.
Methane is MH4, so it is very much a "carbon" problem. In a sense it is worse because when it is released we have gained nothing from it (it could have been burnt,
releasing energy and Carbon Dioxide (CO2)

We are storing any excess renewables energy in Norway right now.
I believe we do it here too, we pump water back up a reservoir using (off peak and renewable energy) in Scotland and IIRC Wales
 

h_m_boro

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There is supposedly a smaller nuclear power station type that has been developed by Rolls Royce. Looking over the next 10 years I would go for these opposed to Fracking. The Fracking industry has an history of damaging the environment particularly water supplies. Natural gas is soluable in water. Fracking involves pumping chemicals underground to create mini explosions or fractures to release small pockets of trapped gas. In the USA fracking occurs in areas that have less population density which has reduced the awareness of Fracking pollution. In the UK it would be different where population density is much higher. The gas indisurty is releasing considerable methane into the atmosphere and this is adding to global warming, Some say methane is a bigger problem than carbon.

I am happy for more solar and wind, but we need to significantly develop storage facilities, at present renewables can't be stored, so there is a energy supply risk when the weather is not correct for generating these sources of power.
And you forgot to mention the potential earthquakes caused - that's why it was suspended indefinitely in Lancashire.
Remember seeing a programme about the effects in the USA mainly to do with the contaminated drinking water supplies - seemed to be the poor people who suffered and as they couldn't afford to fight the big fracking companies were simply ignored and screwed over. So perfect for a far right Tory policy👍
 

Anton_Berg

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There is supposedly a smaller nuclear power station type that has been developed by Rolls Royce. Looking over the next 10 years I would go for these opposed to Fracking. The Fracking industry has an history of damaging the environment particularly water supplies. Natural gas is soluable in water. Fracking involves pumping chemicals underground to create mini explosions or fractures to release small pockets of trapped gas. In the USA fracking occurs in areas that have less population density which has reduced the awareness of Fracking pollution. In the UK it would be different where population density is much higher. The gas indisurty is releasing considerable methane into the atmosphere and this is adding to global warming, Some say methane is a bigger problem than carbon.

I am happy for more solar and wind, but we need to significantly develop storage facilities, at present renewables can't be stored, so there is a energy supply risk when the weather is not correct for generating these sources of power.

I like the sound of the RR mini reactors for not having all eggs in one basket and for providing power when all other solutions are at low capacity.
Slight negative if anyone has a problem with the local economy in Derby getting a boost, but you can't have everything.
 

coluka

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Means it will never happen near you if you have a Tory MP in your constituency.

Kirby Misperton site was in the constituency of Kevin Hollinrake (Conservative) He has openly supported safe fracking there and been quoted as being reassured on it’s safety, so not sure you are entirely correct on that one. Protesters accused him of being in bed with the contractors before the Government temporarily halted it.

If you had said in marginal tory seats, you may have had a point, but then I’d guess the same applies to any MP of any colour rosette in that scenario.
 

SmallTown

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Kirby Misperton site was in the constituency of Kevin Hollinrake (Conservative) He has openly supported safe fracking there and been quoted as being reassured on it’s safety, so not sure you are entirely correct on that one. Protesters accused him of being in bed with the contractors before the Government temporarily halted it.

If you had said in marginal tory seats, you may have had a point, but then I’d guess the same applies to any MP of any colour rosette in that scenario.
"Safe fracking" is that like safe Russian roulette?
 

uncle_rico

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Renewables. The quickest would be onshore wind.

Sadly the Tories don't like onshore so we are allegedly building 10 Nuclear power stations in 10 years (never will happen).

Truss wants to reduce solar farms for some reason.
Wind turbines have their own issues though. They have limited use, i.e. Too windy/not windy enough and the spent and damaged blades cannot be easily disposed of and are therefore buried causing further issues.

For a country with two tides a day we don’t harness that power enough, if at all.
 

Redwurzel

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This is untrue. We are storing any excess renewables energy in Norway right now. I agree things need to improve but it's false to say this
In the UK there is currently very little strorage capacity for wind and solar renewables (the thread was mainly about fracking and energy in the UK) , we have limited geography for hydro electric. More wind and solar could be strored using batteries, but it has not been judged economic so far by businesses. It does need to change if we want to be significantly dependent on solar/wind and we should really go down that route imo.

I can find sources for the above, but there are numerous ones on the internet.

If posters want to invest in renewables and strorage there are recent funds/investment trusts set up to do this. I am looking at this myself but they are expensive at present. They might cheapen up when the likely recesssion kicks in (according to Bank of England soon).
 
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Redwurzel

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Wind turbines have their own issues though. They have limited use, i.e. Too windy/not windy enough and the spent and damaged blades cannot be easily disposed of and are therefore buried causing further issues.

For a country with two tides a day we don’t harness that power enough, if at all.
Hence the strorage requirement for wind.

Tides are predictable and reliable, but the economics have never been viable and there can be some possibly some disruption to shipping. Its been looked at for a lot of years, say across the Severn Estuary.
 

SmallTown

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In the UK there is currently very little strorage capacity for wind and solar renewables (the thread was mainly about fracking and energy in the UK) , we have limited geography for hydro electric. More wind and solar could be strored using batteries, but it has not been judged economic so far by businesses. It does need to change if we want to be significantly dependent on solar/wind and we should really go down that route imo.

I can find sources for the above, but there are numerous ones on the internet.

If posters want to invest in renewables and strorage there are recent funds/investment trusts set up to do this. I am looking at this myself but they are expensive at present. They might cheapen up when the likely recesssion kicks in (according to Bank of England soon).
The in the UK bit is irrelevant given that Norway are storing our energy. That's my point, whether it's EV or renewable those that are against them for skne strange reason (given they will hemp arrest climate change) have no qualms abkut blatantly lying to defend their position. Your first comment was that it's not possible to story renewable energy. We can and we do. Yiu know this so have decided to change to say we aren't good at storing it in this country. Which a, I agree with, and b, is moot, given we can and do store it
 

SmallTown

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Wind turbines have their own issues though. They have limited use, i.e. Too windy/not windy enough and the spent and damaged blades cannot be easily disposed of and are therefore buried causing further issues.

For a country with two tides a day we don’t harness that power enough, if at all.
I imagine tidal is less efficient to harness and the advantages of wind and certainly solar is once in, maintenance is significantly cheaper than "old sun" energy. I would think tidal more expensive to maintain given the conditions it's in
 
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