Fascist, Communist, or what?

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downsouth

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excuse my political ignorance but isn't Russia closer to a fascist regime itself than a communist one? Oligarchs supporting a dictator and Russia basically with a capitalist economic system and all the gross social and economic inequalities to go with it.

What, then, is the political ideology that Putin is defending? Any ideas??
 
Yes it's more fascist, it isn't and hasn't been communist for 30 years.

Political ideology from Putin, not sure how he himself would class it, but I'm not sure he gives a crap about the people, the russian standing in the world, he's just on a wealth grab. He's been happy to start wars all over, to prove russian 'might' to ramp up spying, misinformation campaigns, to 'prove' russian exceptionalism via systematic drug taking in sport, to deploy chemical weapons in sovereign nations, to impact the outcome of foreign elections and referenda. The list goes on, it's just ultra-nationalism, with a great deal of corruption and sprinkle of cronyism.
 
downsouth said:
excuse my political ignorance but isn't Russia closer to a fascist regime itself than a communist one? Oligarchs supporting a dictator and Russia basically with a capitalist economic system and all the gross social and economic inequalities to go with it.

What, then, is the political ideology that Putin is defending? Any ideas??
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No the irony is the far out you go the more similar the ideologies are

Far left and far right

Totalitarianism and dictatorship.

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A facist kleptocracy.

Authocratic dictatorship, nationalism, suppression of the opposition etc is pretty much meeting the definition of fascism.
 
BoroMart said:
Yes it's more fascist, it isn't and hasn't been communist for 30 years.

Political ideology from Putin, not sure how he himself would class it, but I'm not sure he gives a crap about the people, the russian standing in the world, he's just on a wealth grab. He's been happy to start wars all over, to prove russian 'might' to ramp up spying, misinformation campaigns, to 'prove' russian exceptionalism via systematic drug taking in sport, to deploy chemical weapons in sovereign nations, to impact the outcome of foreign elections and referenda. The list goes on, it's just ultra-nationalism, with a great deal of corruption and sprinkle of cronyism.
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Does he not refer to it as Putinism? Or is this something coined by the west?
 
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downsouth said:
Yes, ultra nationalism sounds about right, and that is fascism. It's interesting that he says he's fighting neo-Nazis in Ukraine, so his imagined enemy is what he actually is.
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that's not uncommon for psychopaths and sociopaths to accuse others of what they actually do.
 
Johnny Vincents Motorbike said:
so you dont have any political ignorance.



the last purely fascist governments were those that ruled Portugal 1933-1974 and Spain 1936-1975.

they were replaced by democratic governments.

The question of whether modern countries such as North Korea, Venezuela, Russia, China etc should be considered fascist remains a popular topic of debate.

but you would already know that.
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I'm not sure what pure fascism is. I guess the common element in these systems is the extreme centralization of power, and this process is aided by the supreme ego/madness of the dictator.
I do think Russia will eventually democratize.. how it will transition and get rid of this regime is another question.
 
downsouth said:
excuse my political ignorance but isn't Russia closer to a fascist regime itself than a communist one? Oligarchs supporting a dictator and Russia basically with a capitalist economic system and all the gross social and economic inequalities to go with it.

What, then, is the political ideology that Putin is defending? Any ideas??
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Capitalism. Give it 30-40 years on current trends and we'll have our own Putin.
 
Johnny Vincents Motorbike said:
the last purely fascist governments were those that ruled Portugal 1933-1974 and Spain 1936-1975.
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The military junta lead by the dictator Pinochet in Chile from 1974 to 1990 was arguably fascist from inception but apparently moderated their worst excesses in the mid 80's & Thatcher didn't waste any time cuddling up to him.
Obviously when he was subsequently arrested for human rights violations he was living in London at the time.
 
These Communist/Fascist labels are a bit 20th century. I'm not sure how useful they are nowadays. The only ideal anyone actually proclaims now is "Democracy", though everyone has a different idea of what it actually means. In geopolitical terms, we seem to be dividing along the lines of pro-democracy/not too bothered about democracy.
 
Let’s not forget that RUSSIA is a democracy ( yes I know I know) but the fact is that Putin was elected ( again yes I know) via the ballot box.

Of course it’s a sham but that is the reality.

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Income and wealth inequality is enormous in Russia.

Imperial Russia is now glorified as is the Russian Orthodox Church.

No free elections - a bit like communist election there they had them but there was only one party to vote for.

The police in Russia are starting to look remarkedly like the ones in Handmaid's Tale in Gilead.

All the billionaire's are men like Gilead too.

Ref German Fascism - very much about Ayran race - some sort of pseudo science about blood and body type at the centre of a lot of what they did.

Fascism is often driven by phrases like "make my country great again"

Franco was a sly operator - after the Germany defeat at Stalingrad he saw the way the wind was blowing and he had now intention of going dowe fighting, more he wanted to survive. So he supressed links to fascism and down played the Falange (Spanish fascist party - emblem five arrows) with drew the Spanish Blue Division from fighting the Soviet Union. He promoted himself as the upholder of the Catholic Church and traditional family values and loved the Cold War as he said he was very anti-communist, allowing US to place dangerous weapons in Spain.
 
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