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I know we won't ever agree on Charlton being in the top eleven players but if you have 15 minutes, watch this and enjoy.

Have a good weekend mate.

P.S. I've had loads of videos on Bobby Charlton sent to me on YouTube since we've chatted about him on here, you cannot tell me that we aren't being monitored. :confused:

 
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Norman_Conquest said:
I know we won't ever agree on Charlton being in the top eleven players but if you have 15 minutes, watch this and enjoy.

Have a good weekend mate.

P.S. I've had loads of videos on Bobby Charlton sent to me on YouTube since we've chatted about him on here, you cannot tell me that we aren't being monitored. :confused:

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Mate, I’ve watched all the footage of Bobby Charlton that exists. Or the vast majority of it. I need no convincing that he was a fantastic footballer.

I don’t even think we disagree - you said the other day you didn’t think he was as good as Zidane and the Ronaldos. If you read back the original thread I actually said he probably sneaks into the top 10 (living).

I also said that he won’t be as revered abroad as he is here, which I think is true. Doesn’t mean I think he’s rubbish though. Football most certainly didn’t start in 1992 for me but I can’t help being born in 1982. But I would even say to any old timer that Zidane was a better player.
 
atypical_boro said:
Mate, I’ve watched all the footage of Bobby Charlton that exists. Or the vast majority of it. I need no convincing that he was a fantastic footballer.

I don’t even think we disagree - you said the other day you didn’t think he was as good as Zidane and the Ronaldos. If you read back the original thread I actually said he probably sneaks into the top 10 (living).

I also said that he won’t be as revered abroad as he is here, which I think is true. Doesn’t mean I think he’s rubbish though. Football most certainly didn’t start in 1992 for me but I can’t help being born in 1982. But I would even say to any old timer that Zidane was a better player.
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“ He won’t be revered abroad”

Not now perhaps as the passage of time changes but in the 60s and 70s he was one of the most famous footballers in the world. There wasn’t a place you could go in those days without a waiter or hotel receptionist saying. “ah you are English! Bobby Charlton”. He was that iconic as a footballer.
 
atypical_boro said:
Mate, I’ve watched all the footage of Bobby Charlton that exists. Or the vast majority of it. I need no convincing that he was a fantastic footballer.

I don’t even think we disagree - you said the other day you didn’t think he was as good as Zidane and the Ronaldos. If you read back the original thread I actually said he probably sneaks into the top 10.

I also said that he won’t be as revered abroad as he is here, which I think is true. Doesn’t mean I think he’s rubbish though. Football most certainly didn’t start in 1992 for me but I can’t help being born in 1982. But I would even say to any old timer that Zidane was a better player.
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Hi, I never posted this video of Charlton to engage you further in conversation about him, I just thought as a football fan you might like to watch it. Sorry I got that part wrong.

I've had 100's of videos on Charlton sent to me since your thread.
 
A brilliant player. It was said he didn’t know if he was left or right footed. Would glide across rutted, dreadful pitches, common in his day, plus didn’t shirk the physical challenges which were tolerated at that time. I doubt he would have the speed of modern-day players. Football is different today. Not better or worse but very different. Still love it!
 
Dham said:
A brilliant player. It was said he didn’t know if he was left or right footed. Would glide across rutted, dreadful pitches, common in his day, plus didn’t shirk the physical challenges which were tolerated at that time. I doubt he would have the speed of modern-day players. Football is different today. Not better or worse but very different. Still love it!
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The point you make regarding speed is a good one and is relevant to all sports and sports stars from the past. You also have to take into account the sports science and dietary knowledge that surrounds the modern day sportsman. Arsene Wenger's Arsenal was fitter and better than any other at the time and it was all to do with changing their mindset and dietary requirements. Long gone are the days of a player turning out for his team and then going on a full blown session.
 
The balls were like Christmas puddings back then but he could still leather one into the top corner from 25 yards.

I've met him, well I was part of a massive huddle of kids shoved forward by parents to get his autograph.
 
Cardiffdaffs said:
“ He won’t be revered abroad”

Not now perhaps as the passage of time changes but in the 60s and 70s he was one of the most famous footballers in the world. There wasn’t a place you could go in those days without a waiter or hotel receptionist saying. “ah you are English! Bobby Charlton”. He was that iconic as a footballer.
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He won’t be AS revered abroad.
 
Norman_Conquest said:
Hi, I never posted this video of Charlton to engage you further in conversation about him, I just thought as a football fan you might like to watch it. Sorry I got that part wrong.

I've had 100's of videos on Charlton sent to me since your thread.
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Ok. Not really sure what your point is. We agree on Bobby Charlton’s status in the game, broadly. We’ve both watched loads of footage of him. You may have even seen him live and may have witnessed 1966 (can’t remember your age, sorry).

The one thing that is different about modern players is that you can watch a lot more of them. I have watched hundreds of matches involving Messi, who can really say that about Pele? You could argue it’s unfair to compare eras also because you are judging relatively small samples of their careers against, with more modern players, their entire careers, club and national team.

You will always get people saying Puskas and Di Stefano are two of the greatest footballers of all time, which may of course be completely true, but who can really make a fair comparison between them and players from the modern era who they’ve watched hundreds of times.
 
atypical_boro said:
Ok. Not really sure what your point is. We agree on Bobby Charlton’s status in the game, broadly. We’ve both watched loads of footage of him. You may have even seen him live and may have witnessed 1966 (can’t remember your age, sorry).

The one thing that is different about modern players is that you can watch a lot more of them. I have watched hundreds of matches involving Messi, who can really say that about Pele? You could argue it’s unfair to compare eras also because you are judging relatively small samples of their careers against, with more modern players, their entire careers, club and national team.

You will always get people saying Puskas and Di Stefano are two of the greatest footballers of all time, which may of course be completely true, but who can really make a fair comparison between them and players from the modern era who they’ve watched hundreds of times.
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I haven’t read past the first sentence of your reply and that did it for me.

The point I was trying to make is called being nice to someone. I shared a video I thought you might like and wished you a good weekend, sorry for being so wrong and boring you with it.
 
Cardiffdaffs said:
“ He won’t be revered abroad”

Not now perhaps as the passage of time changes but in the 60s and 70s he was one of the most famous footballers in the world. There wasn’t a place you could go in those days without a waiter or hotel receptionist saying. “ah you are English! Bobby Charlton”. He was that iconic as a footballer.
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Even in the 90s, when I was getting ripped off by a taxi driver in Las Vegas he started to pretend the only words of English he knew were Bobby Charlton which he kept repeating in the hope I would stop whinging about him dropping me off at the wrong end of the strip.
 
junos_boots said:
Even in the 90s, when I was getting ripped off by a taxi driver in Las Vegas he started to pretend the only words of English he knew were Bobby Charlton which he kept repeating in the hope I would stop whinging about him dropping me off at the wrong end of the strip.
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That’s quite funny TBF 😁
 
junos_boots said:
Even in the 90s, when I was getting ripped off by a taxi driver in Las Vegas he started to pretend the only words of English he knew were Bobby Charlton which he kept repeating in the hope I would stop whinging about him dropping me off at the wrong end of the strip.
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lol reminded the first time we went abroad in the seventies as a kid in Spain and the locals were playing football on the beach and they kicked the ball out near my Dad (who was also bald) who controlled it and knocked it back to them, they then all started shouting Bobby Charlton to him afterwards, fond memories :)
 
I was lucky enough to see Charlton play. There have been a distinct exclusive few players past or present that when they received the ball the sense of anticipation of the crowd was electric. Charlton was one such player so was Best, Maradonna,, Puskas, Pele, Cruyft and Messi.

When I was a very wee boy I regarded Bobby Charlton as one of the World's best attacking midfielders. He could pass, dribble, ghost past opponents with ease and had one of the deadliest shots in the business and all with the heavier ball and on heavier pitches. He was renowned the world over. No question.

In 1970 England led West Germany 2-0 in the World Cup QF in Leon and with about 15 mins left and with the afternoon sun draining the players, Alf Ramsay took Charlton off to save him, for the semi against Italy. Charlton had up until then man marked Franz Beckenbauer completely out of the game.

With Charlton withdrawn Beckenbauer suddenly had the freedom to dictate and he scored very quickly after to make it 2-1. The rest is history.

Without Charlton England would never have won the World Cup and Man U probably wouldn't have won the FA Cup in 1963, the Football League Championship in 1967 or the European Cup in 1968.
 
Zoophonic said:
I was lucky enough to see Charlton play. There have been a distinct exclusive few players past or present that when they received the ball the sense of anticipation of the crowd was electric. Charlton was one such player so was Best, Maradonna,, Puskas, Pele, Cruyft and Messi.

When I was a very wee boy I regarded Bobby Charlton as one of the World's best attacking midfielders. He could pass, dribble, ghost past opponents with ease and had one of the deadliest shots in the business and all with the heavier ball and on heavier pitches. He was renowned the world over. No question.

In 1970 England led West Germany 2-0 in the World Cup QF in Leon and with about 15 mins left and with the afternoon sun draining the players, Alf Ramsay took Charlton off to save him, for the semi against Italy. Charlton had up until then man marked Franz Beckenbauer completely out of the game.

With Charlton withdrawn Beckenbauer suddenly had the freedom to dictate and he scored very quickly after to make it 2-1. The rest is history.

Without Charlton England would never have won the World Cup and Man U probably wouldn't have won the FA Cup in 1963, the Football League Championship in 1967 or the European Cup in 1968.
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Not sure about the European Cup, Man U had a brilliant team at the time. I always remember Eusebio in that game and was delighted to see him play at Ayersom Park some years later.

Eusebio was like Neymar to Messi (Pele) and Ronaldo (Charlton) at the time.
 
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