False dawns

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ForssAwakens

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Let me start off with a only slight concern at this stage

hoping carrick is the real deal and we’ve been hear before with wilder and his start

My worry is the first test for Scott and carrick comes in January the have a breakdown in paths they want and who to sign etc

Hoping wilder was the problem and not scott therefore worrying for no reason

Will be keen to see how we go January, and hopefully keep the carrick juggernaut on track
 
Muniz looks to be returning and there were lots of rumours of signing Steffen, but I assume that will be pretty costly. If we are doing that I'd rather go all out for Giles.
 
One pattern you can spot through many of our recent managerial appointments is that they often steady the ship and see us pick up more points to move away from trouble, but as soon as they've had a couple of transfer windows and the chance to mould 'their' team, it goes belly up.

Perhaps it's time that the club ask a manager to draw up their special list and make sure that they try their hardest to sign none of them.
 
jeff_potato said:
One pattern you can spot through many of our recent managerial appointments is that they often steady the ship and see us pick up more points to move away from trouble, but as soon as they've had a couple of transfer windows and the chance to mould 'their' team, it goes belly up.

Perhaps it's time that the club ask a manager to draw up their special list and make sure that they try their hardest to sign none of them.
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Quality ending, and I agree
 
I know where the OP is coming from, but this feels different to me.

First off I don't think Carrick has set himself any expectations this year, or even next. Whereas all Warnock and Wilder would speak about was promotion and as soon as possible. Not only that but the clear message they were sending out was "I'll get this club promoted but we need to bring in MY players to play MY way". Both were a little obsessed with the transfer window and their own reputations. Too obsessed probably.

Whereas I don't think Carrick seems that bothered, his stance seems to be happy with what he's got, but of course the club will add to and look to improve the squad where it can.

I think Warnock and Wilder wanted change, they weren't happy with some of the players they'd inherited and their goal was to get players in who could play a very certain style. Change is ultimately what they both got.

Carrick seems more focussed on just building on everything we do well, more evolution than revolution. And certainly no players either individually or as a group are being told they're not good enough, which probably also helps!
 
festa5 said:
I know where the OP is coming from, but this feels different to me.

First off I don't think Carrick has set himself any expectations this year, or even next. Whereas all Warnock and Wilder would speak about was promotion and as soon as possible. Not only that but the clear message they were sending out was "I'll get this club promoted but we need to bring in MY players to play MY way". Both were a little obsessed with the transfer window and their own reputations. Too obsessed probably.

Whereas I don't think Carrick seems that bothered, his stance seems to be happy with what he's got, but of course the club will add to and look to improve the squad where it can.

I think Warnock and Wilder wanted change, they weren't happy with some of the players they'd inherited and their goal was to get players in who could play a very certain style. Change is ultimately what they both got.

Carrick seems more focussed on just building on everything we do well, more evolution than revolution. And certainly no players either individually or as a group are being told they're not good enough, which probably also helps!
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It feels different to me too. It’s a tiny concern and thought it would create a decent discussion and some good posts like yours 👍🏻
 
jeff_potato said:
One pattern you can spot through many of our recent managerial appointments is that they often steady the ship and see us pick up more points to move away from trouble, but as soon as they've had a couple of transfer windows and the chance to mould 'their' team, it goes belly up.

Perhaps it's time that the club ask a manager to draw up their special list and make sure that they try their hardest to sign none of them.
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We should opt out of transfer windows. Can’t remember the last time we signed better than we already had cumulatively.
 
If we want to follow the development strategy then we should be reducing the number of loans, not increasing them. Develop our own players by making permanent signings and playing them rather than developing other team's players for them and paying to do it. It's a backwards situation where we get all the risk of them not being good enough with none of the benefit if we improve them.
 
I trust Michael Carrick, his staff and the recruitment team - because they all appear to be on the same page and working as "one".
Michael Carrick is no fool, neither is he presumptions or arrogant.
Unlike previous incumbents, he`s intelligent, articulate, shrewd, has the ability to man-manage and understand the needs of his players. He also has the experience of a top international footballer, whose quality cant be substituted with running up sand-hills or having favourites and being matey.
Hes been on the [transfer] case "since the minute I came through the door" [Michael Carrick - Wigan Media Conference].
He continues to stress his role and those of his Coaching Team, is to improve the "quality" of his players and the performance of the team.
He said pre-wigan that football is a "revolving door" for players - with ins and outs.
His comment to one reporter [who always answers his own questions - regards transfers in January "is it possible"] - " Well of course - thats football..."No flies on Michael Carrick.
He really does know what we need.....(y)
 
We could buck the trend and not do any business in January so as to not disrupt things and see where we finish come May.
Save the cash for the summer when we'll have a better idea where we are in terms of progress under Carrick.
 
dooderooni said:
We could buck the trend and not do any business in January so as to not disrupt things and see where we finish come May.
Save the cash for the summer when we'll have a better idea where we are in terms of progress under Carrick.
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Can see your point, however we have 4 or 5 loans , a couple who’s contracts are up and we will probably sell one or two.

This then feels like a massive squad overhaul again, needing to bring in another 11. If can get a couple in next month then makes the summer less hectic and will have a more settled squad
 
The_Big_Woodowski said:
Can see your point, however we have 4 or 5 loans , a couple who’s contracts are up and we will probably sell one or two.

This then feels like a massive squad overhaul again, needing to bring in another 11. If can get a couple in next month then makes the summer less hectic and will have a more settled squad
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I agree .

If we can move a couple out to help the wage bill (McNair & Muniz are probably on a decent wedge between them) and get a couple squad additions (signings not loans) bedded in and integrated into the squad for next season it limits the job in the summer. Last season we had played about five weeks of the season before the window closed, and still failed to get the players in we were supposedly after. I'd be happy for us to do deals now that arrive in the summer, we seem to be dreadful at getting deals over the line in one window for what we really need.

January isn't ideal, but I believe Carrick's good start has earned him some reinforcements to push for a play-off berth.

We are pretty much goosed financially anyway and will be forever unless we get a couple of years in the PL under our belts, we have decent form and momentum with us now, I hope we build on it.

We must be due a good window just by the law of averages surely to God?

Lose?
A few from Muniz, McNair, Fisher, Mowatt (long shot IMHO), possibly loan out Hoppe. If they want minutes or aren't happy maybe Bola and Dijsteel too, although not in January.

Sign (before next season)
At least one CM to compete with and ideally replace Howson now, plus a rotation option (Crooks now seems a forward & Mowatt is only here till end of season)

LB & RB if Bola & Dijksteel aren't fancied. Giles isn't our player and Smith isn't a long term solution

At least one, but ideally two wide forwards/wingers to compete with McGree & Jones. (ideally with good pace and delivery)

An upgrade on Forss, maybe not needed if the above two are sorted.

Make some loans permanent?
Steffen was strongly linked with being signed, I'm not against it, but we shouldn't tie up a lot of our transfer and wage budget on a keeper IMO. A champo quality keeper should be achievable for reasonable money, although the club may see him as an appreciating asset.

If we can sign Giles I would definitely push for it. We have lacked quality delivery and crossing for years and he's an assist machine. I'd stick him on all set plays, especially after seeing a few of Howson's early efforts on Saturday.

Dig deep Gibbo!
 
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