Everton and EPL now being sued over ffp

Jonny Ingbar

Jonny Ingbar

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It's been rumoured that Leicester, in addition to Leeds and Southampton (and possibly Burnley) would sue Everton over potential ffp breaches.

It seems that they have indeed issued proceedings with the first appearance date set, which includes the EPL for failing to deal with the potential breaches sooner, in an action that very closely resembles the proceedings brought by Boro against Derby.

This will run for sometime I think and involve much bigger figures than our case.
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
It's been rumoured that Leicester, in addition to Leeds and Southampton (and possibly Burnley) would sue Everton over potential ffp breaches.

It seems that they have indeed issued proceedings with the first appearance date set, which includes the EPL for failing to deal with the potential breaches sooner, in an action that very closely resembles the proceedings brought by Boro against Derby.

This will run for sometime I think and involve much bigger figures than our case.
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And rightly so. They (Everton) knew the rules and failed to comply, the governing body should apply those rules evenly, timely and honestly.
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
failing to deal with the potential breaches sooner,
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Why are the authorities so rubbish in both leagues?

It really needs to be much more strictly controlled. I don't agree with FFP, but if this is the faux yardstick clubs are judged by it needs to massively tighten up. The books should have to be in by the start of May, then reviewed, and decisions made by end of June with July for appeals.

It is ridiculous it takes years upon years for any action to be taken, and then it is a fine or some other such nonsense that goes in no way towards actually helping the injured party who may well have been relegated two seasons previously and lost three or four of their best players.

Why is it taking legal action from other clubs? It has been said for the last couple of years Everton are running at around £400 million loss or something crazy. Why no action?
 
Caesium137 said:
Why are the authorities so rubbish in both leagues?

It really needs to be much more strictly controlled. I don't agree with FFP, but if this is the faux yardstick clubs are judged by it needs to massively tighten up. The books should have to be in by the start of May, then reviewed, and decisions made by end of June with July for appeals.

It is ridiculous it takes years upon years for any action to be taken, and then it is a fine or some other such nonsense that goes in no way towards actually helping the injured party who may well have been relegated two seasons previously and lost three or four of their best players.

Why is it taking legal action from other clubs? It has been said for the last couple of years Everton are running at around £400 million loss or something crazy. Why no action?
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In the Derby EFL v boro case, the EFL only got their arses into gear after Gibson took legal action against them directly.

Before that they were very much of the 'nothing to see here' approach.

That action, and that which Leicester are replicating against the EPL, is obviously tactical, in order to motivate them to enforce their own rules.
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
In the Derby EFL v boro case, the EFL only got their arses into gear after Gibson took legal action against them directly.

Before that they were very much of the 'nothing to see here' approach.

That action, and that which Leicester are replicating against the EPL, is obviously tactical, in order to motivate them to enforce their own rules.
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Leicester, Leeds and Southampton all used dodgy financial proceedings when they each hit the third tier that allowed rhea to wipe out debts before starting again. Then Leicester again took the mick in their promotion year from the championship with their spending.

So it is a bit hard to generate any sympathy for these teams but I agree if you have a rule then it should be enforced
 
junos_boots said:
Leicester, Leeds and Southampton all used dodgy financial proceedings when they each hit the third tier that allowed rhea to wipe out debts before starting again. Then Leicester again took the mick in their promotion year from the championship with their spending.

So it is a bit hard to generate any sympathy for these teams but I agree if you have a rule then it should be enforced
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Just to make two points to right your wrong assertions there: it was the issue of Leicester City`s "administration" which lead to a tightening of the EPL rules. Leicester were`nt technically, in contravention of EFL rules at the time.

Secondly - the assertion that Leicester "took the mick" by inferring they spent above their means on promotion from the Championship. I have took people to task on this with that nonsense before. So just to make it clear - lets look at Pearson`s team which took them into the Premiership:

Kasperr Schmeichel was in the second year of a three year contract.
Richie De Laet was signed on a free having returned to Man U on loan from Norwich.
Paul Konchesky had signed a three year contract in 2011 having left Forest.
Wes Morgan joined City on a free having been released by Forest.
Jeff Schlupp was a youth product who had been in the senior squad since 2010.
Marcin Wasilewski was signed on a one-year contract after a trial in the summer.
Danny Drinkwater - having been on five consecutive loans from Man Utd joined Leicester for an undisclosed fee.
Matty James joined City as a 21 year old having been on loan at Preston from Manchester United.
Andy King was a youth product who had been at the club since 2006.
Riyad Mahres was signed for £450,000 from Le Havre.
Lloyd Dyer had been signed from MK Dons in 2008.
Jamie Vardy - was Leicester`s most expensive signing - £974,000`s from Fleetwood Town.
David Nugent, Gary Taylor-Fletcher and Kevin Phillips were all signed on a free.
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Jonny Ingbar said:
It's been rumoured that Leicester, in addition to Leeds and Southampton (and possibly Burnley) would sue Everton over potential ffp breaches.

It seems that they have indeed issued proceedings with the first appearance date set, which includes the EPL for failing to deal with the potential breaches sooner, in an action that very closely resembles the proceedings brought by Boro against Derby.

This will run for sometime I think and involve much bigger figures than our case.
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Was rumoured before the end of the season that the bottom 5 had held discussions and agreed that whichever 3 went down would sue the league and Everton.
 
junos_boots said:
Leicester, Leeds and Southampton all used dodgy financial proceedings when they each hit the third tier that allowed rhea to wipe out debts before starting again. Then Leicester again took the mick in their promotion year from the championship with their spending.

So it is a bit hard to generate any sympathy for these teams but I agree if you have a rule then it should be enforced
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Well they took the on field hit for a few years by dropping to the third tier…Everton haven’t received that yet
 
Caesium137 said:
Why are the authorities so rubbish in both leagues?

It really needs to be much more strictly controlled. I don't agree with FFP, but if this is the faux yardstick clubs are judged by it needs to massively tighten up. The books should have to be in by the start of May, then reviewed, and decisions made by end of June with July for appeals.

It is ridiculous it takes years upon years for any action to be taken, and then it is a fine or some other such nonsense that goes in no way towards actually helping the injured party who may well have been relegated two seasons previously and lost three or four of their best players.

Why is it taking legal action from other clubs? It has been said for the last couple of years Everton are running at around £400 million loss or something crazy. Why no action?
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Totally agree with everything you say - faux yardstick indeed. To have any impact action has to be taken in the same season that it’s happening.

In Everton’s defense I think the reason it’s muddy is because the losses cover the COVID years. £400m losses over 3 years is a hell of a figure when the allowable losses are something like £150m, but it covers that period where clubs had no gate income at all and the world generally fell apart so it’s hard to calculate. Reading between the lines it sounds like FFP was basically suspended for that period, so they’ll probably get away with it.
 
r00fie1 said:
Just to make two points to right your wrong assertions there: it was the issue of Leicester City`s "administration" which lead to a tightening of the EPL rules. Leicester were`nt technically, in contravention of EFL rules at the time.

Secondly - the assertion that Leicester "took the mick" by inferring they spent above their means on promotion from the Championship. I have took people to task on this with that nonsense before. So just to make it clear - lets look at Pearson`s team which took them into the Premiership:

Kasperr Schmeichel was in the second year of a three year contract.
Richie De Laet was signed on a free having returned to Man U on loan from Norwich.
Paul Konchesky had signed a three year contract in 2011 having left Forest.
Wes Morgan joined City on a free having been released by Forest.
Jeff Schlupp was a youth product who had been in the senior squad since 2010.
Marcin Wasilewski was signed on a one-year contract after a trial in the summer.
Danny Drinkwater - having been on five consecutive loans from Man Utd joined Leicester for an undisclosed fee.
Matty James joined City as a 21 year old having been on loan at Preston from Manchester United.
Andy King was a youth product who had been at the club since 2006.
Riyad Mahres was signed for £450,000 from Le Havre.
Lloyd Dyer had been signed from MK Dons in 2008.
Jamie Vardy - was Leicester`s most expensive signing - £974,000`s from Fleetwood Town.
David Nugent, Gary Taylor-Fletcher and Kevin Phillips were all signed on a free.
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Their wages were the bit that took them over, as signing someone on a free just means that you pay the player the monies saved on a a transfer fee through their contract as opposed to their old club

I wasn't sure if fair play rules were in when Leicester went into administration but they basically got what was left owed on their stadium etc for pennies in the pound, so if not breaking rules they certainly played the system costing other people lots of money.

So still hard to have sympathy with their current complaint regardless of legalities
 
junos_boots said:
Their wages were the bit that took them over, as signing someone on a free just means that you pay the player the monies saved on a a transfer fee through their contract as opposed to their old club

I wasn't sure if fair play rules were in when Leicester went into administration but they basically got what was left owed on their stadium etc for pennies in the pound, so if not breaking rules they certainly played the system costing other people lots of money.

So still hard to have sympathy with their current complaint regardless of legalities
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Aye up.
The EFL closed that loophole pretty quickly.
Its important for any and every club to point out when someone is allegedly breaking the rules.
Its 21 years ago since that issue in Foxes history.
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r00fie1 said:
Aye up.
The EFL closed that loophole pretty quickly.
Its important for any and every club to point out when someone is allegedly breaking the rules.
Its 21 years ago since that issue in Foxes history.
(y)
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I agree entirely. Don't mistake my whinging at the other teams as support for Everton, as if they have broken the rules then the Premier league should do something about it.
 
jonny_greenings_sock said:
Totally agree with everything you say - faux yardstick indeed. To have any impact action has to be taken in the same season that it’s happening.

In Everton’s defense I think the reason it’s muddy is because the losses cover the COVID years. £400m losses over 3 years is a hell of a figure when the allowable losses are something like £150m, but it covers that period where clubs had no gate income at all and the world generally fell apart so it’s hard to calculate. Reading between the lines it sounds like FFP was basically suspended for that period, so they’ll probably get away with it.
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The capacity of Goodison is approx 40000. 19 matches a season. If with ticket sales, beer and burgers each person spends £50, that's £38m. Even if you say £100 it's only £76m. I get that clubs have other costs but matches were still televised so they were still getting money from Sky, which increasingly seems like the highest priority.
£400m sounds very high. Anyone know what other Premier League clubs claimed.
 
Caesium137 said:
It really needs to be much more strictly controlled. I don't agree with FFP, but if this is the faux yardstick clubs are judged by it needs to massively tighten up. The books should have to be in by the start of May, then reviewed, and decisions made by end of June with July for appeal.
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Why not run on a calendar year and have them submitted by 31st December.
No accounts done = January transfer ban, and this means everything can be sorted during the season (unless you're Man City).
 
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