DWP take Cheshire woman's inheritance over supermarket job

Totally agree about high income people taking money easily from the Government, look at MPs flipping properties to maximise their expenses. A local one near me claimed his mortgage repayments on his house hundreds of miles from London, the mortgage on the property had been paid off. He is still a MP.

The thread though was about a specific case.
 
MolteniArcore said:
In my experience social workers are reluctant to give out financial advice for reasons exactly such as this. I also would expect that the claimant would have known to advise DWP of any changes - she was claiming for some time - it is on every letter that she would have received.
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In my experience social workers vary greatly in how they approach the job and what advice they are willing to give/share.

You're also assuming this woman deals with the world from your perspective. I've known plenty of people that struggle with what, to me, seem like simple instructions.

The fact she appeared without legal representation at her first hearing would lead me to assume that she's fairly likely to be unaware of how the system is meant to work.

If she'd got a job as a lawyer or an architect then I'd maybe agree with you. A minimum-wage convenience store job to help pay the bills isn't what I'd associate with a grandmaster fraudster.

And I have no problem with the DWP making a case for extra payments due to the inheritance. It's more the way they've gone about the whole thing that plays badly. Especially given the information that they could have stopped the payments had they done their jobs properly.
 
You can earn 151 quid a week AFTER deductions and you can still claim carers allowance. Its' not a fall off a cliff job after that as they allow for fluctuations of on / off throughout year. Even above that , regular earnings , I think its a graduated decline in allowance as your wage is more. Some people on here thinking that if she earns a £1 pw you lose the whole carers allowance is ridiculous. Carers allowance in itself is about 65 pw for day part and extra 20pw for night part too. I've been through the whole thing. The DWP are fair and understanding when you stick to the rules. They even allowed me two payments after my dad passed, just to allow for transition time.
 
Boro_Interlinked said:
You can earn 151 quid a week AFTER deductions and you can still claim carers allowance. Its' not a fall off a cliff job after that as they allow for fluctuations of on / off throughout year. Even above that , regular earnings , I think its a graduated decline in allowance as your wage is more. Some people on here thinking that if she earns a £1 pw you lose the whole carers allowance is ridiculous. Carers allowance in itself is about 65 pw for day part and extra 20pw for night part too. I've been through the whole thing. The DWP are fair and understanding when you stick to the rules. They even allowed me two payments after my dad passed, just to allow for transition time.
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Don’t go round saying factual statements like that…
 
The irony is if shed washed her hands of her mam and let the state look after her it would have cost the state thousands more .

Just a thought.

Ps daily mail readers and GB news view viewers love stories like this but go quiet on the likes of Michelle mone, Dido Harding etc
 
More here- as I said. the DWP's default position is to disbelieve, intimidate, criminalise, accuse claimants of lying and cheating and to make it as difficult as possible to claim what is rightfully an entitlement.
www.theguardian.com

‘DWP are the real criminals’: carer in tatters after ‘brutal’ fraud prosecution

Vivienne Groom was threatened with a prison term despite a call-handler saying she did not need to declare her 16-hour a week job
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
An estimated 5,000,000 people in England and Wales are unpaid carers - providing essential support and care to those the State have chosen to ignore and abrogate responsibility for.

This includes the physically and mentally disabled, Elderly, Adults and Children.
It's a bluddy scandal.

Other people experience little or no support for whom it would be positive to prevent deterioration in the future - and hence cost to either unpaid carers or the NHS, Adult Social Care, etc.

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Key facts and figures | Carers UK

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Trug said:
More here- as I said. the DWP's default position is to disbelieve, intimidate, criminalise, accuse claimants of lying and cheating and to make it as difficult as possible to claim what is rightfully an entitlement.
www.theguardian.com

‘DWP are the real criminals’: carer in tatters after ‘brutal’ fraud prosecution

Vivienne Groom was threatened with a prison term despite a call-handler saying she did not need to declare her 16-hour a week job
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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I'm afraid it isn't, which I've already told you. There is a real life experience in this thread, which you have conveniently ignored.

No where in that story does a call handler say she does not need to declare her job, so that sub heading is false.

You obviously have a real axe to grind with DWP, a lot of posters on this thread have also agreed this lady should have to pay it back, she is in the wrong, no one else.

It could have been collected in a better manner, that I agree, but she isn't entitled to that extra money, no matter how you try and swing it.

When people start a job at DWP, they aren't told and trained to "disbelieve, intimidate, criminalise, accuse claimants of lying and cheating and to make it as difficult as possible to claim what is rightfully an entitlement".
 
You obviously have a real axe to grind with DWP, a lot of posters on this thread have also agreed this lady should have to pay it back, she is in the wrong, no one else.
You are right. I do have an axe to grid with them. When I was out of work I was treated appallingly, sanctioned for attending an interview because I hadn't told them I had an interview therefore being unavailable for work.
I once got a phone call late on a Monday saying that there was a job interview in Dundee but it was the following afternoon. I rang the job centre and asked if I could be reimbursed my train fare as there was no time to go to the JC for a travel warrant (I lived In Darlo then) . I was told to attend the interview and it would be OK to be claim the fare back on my return. On my return I was denied the fare because the lady who gave me that advice was not authorised to do so. Another time I attended an interview in Motherwell, keeping all receipts, When claiming for my travel expenses the lady picked up the phone and rang the company and asked if I had attended interview while I was sat in front of her. That was humiliating as I had given her all the receipts. There was no need for that. I was told to apply for jobs that I had no experience of or not qualified for on threat of my money being stopped. Things were so bad that I got my local MP involved. Once the Job Centre got a letter from him I received a grovelling apology from the JC manager and an interview with him. I found out afterwards that other people had complained too. And it was not just the odd worker either. I could go on Geoff, there were so many instances of rank bad behaviour from JC staff. I have been out of work since then but never claimed as was my entitlement. I would rather borrow the money to live off from friends and family rather than deal with benefits people so it seems that the objective had been achieved.
 
Geoff_B said:
I'm afraid it isn't, which I've already told you. There is a real life experience in this thread, which you have conveniently ignored.

No where in that story does a call handler say she does not need to declare her job, so that sub heading is false.

You obviously have a real axe to grind with DWP, a lot of posters on this thread have also agreed this lady should have to pay it back, she is in the wrong, no one else.

It could have been collected in a better manner, that I agree, but she isn't entitled to that extra money, no matter how you try and swing it.

When people start a job at DWP, they aren't told and trained to "disbelieve, intimidate, criminalise, accuse claimants of lying and cheating and to make it as difficult as possible to claim what is rightfully an entitlement".
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The DWP are a nightmare to deal with. When I was made redundant last year they gave me pretty much no support and didn't even explain what money I was entitled to.

I actually tried to get a job with them during Covid and even their recruitment is a shambles.
 
Unravel_Morrison said:
The DWP are a nightmare to deal with. When I was made redundant last year they gave me pretty much no support and didn't even explain what money I was entitled to.

I actually tried to get a job with them during Covid and even their recruitment is a shambles.
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What was a shambles about it? You complete a form online usually giving a personal statement based around 4 competencies, probably shortened during covid, if you score high enough you get an interview based on competencies and some shorter strength based questions, if you score high enough, you get the job.
 
Geoff_B said:
What was a shambles about it? You complete a form online usually giving a personal statement based around 4 competencies, probably shortened during covid, if you score high enough you get an interview based on competencies and some shorter strength based questions, if you score high enough, you get the job.
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It was two sets of online forms and then a video which you could have coached me through. If you genuinely think a process where at no point you have to interact with an actual person to get a job is anything other than shambolic then you are part of the problem.
 
Unravel_Morrison said:
It was two sets of online forms and then a video which you could have coached me through. If you genuinely think a process where at no point you have to interact with an actual person to get a job is anything other than shambolic then you are part of the problem.
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I think your talking about the video interview, which was only used during covid as needed a large intake of temporary staff to deal with the upsurge in claims, answers given in that were still analysed by a person.

Copied below is an external advert for an admin job, you can see that there is a final interview, in person before getting a job. Even that below is quite short, the statement is usually more than 250, usually 1000

Stage 1 – Complete the eligibility section of the application form.

Stage 2 - If eligible, you will be invited to complete The Customer Service Skills Test. If you successfully pass the test, you will be invited to complete the final stage of the application. Please complete the online tests as soon as possible (within 24-48 hours is recommended), the closing date for the tests is 23:55 on 8 April 2024. If you fail to complete the online test before the deadline your application will be withdrawn. Guidance for the test will be available when you are invited to take the test. The tests are administered online and accessed via the CS Jobs website.

Stage 3 - If you successfully pass the test, you will be invited to complete a personal statement of 250 words.

Further details around what this will entail are listed on the application form.

Personal Statement

When completing your personal statement, please read and understand the Key Criteria on slide 8 of the candidate pack thoroughly, as this is what your written evidence will be assessed against. Your layout is entirely your preference; you may choose narrative, bullets, etc. You may choose to address each criteria separately, however, one narrative example may cover and evidence several key criteria. You may not be able to meet all the key criteria, but please ensure you evidence: the key personal requirements and what have you done that relates to the requirements. You don’t have to explain the whole process, just what you have done and the skills and experience you have used. Share with us what makes you suited to this role and why, what you can do and the skills you have that are transferable to the key requirements, and the life experience or passion you have that are linked to this role.

The closing date for applications is 23:55 on 8 April 2024. If you fail to complete any of the 3 stages above before this deadline your application will be withdrawn.

Stage 4 – The sift:

The sift is scheduled to commence week commencing 8 April 2024.

Depending on the volume of applications received we may by-pass the sift process and invite all candidates who complete the first 3 stages of their application by the deadline to an interview.

Stage 5 - The interview process:

The interview will last approximately 30 to 40 minutes. Further details regarding the process are available in the candidate pack.

Interviews are scheduled take place week commencing 22 April 2024.
 
Geoff_B said:
I think your talking about the video interview, which was only used during covid as needed a large intake of temporary staff to deal with the upsurge in claims, answers given in that were still analysed by a person.

Copied below is an external advert for an admin job, you can see that there is a final interview, in person before getting a job. Even that below is quite short, the statement is usually more than 250, usually 1000

Stage 1 – Complete the eligibility section of the application form.

Stage 2 - If eligible, you will be invited to complete The Customer Service Skills Test. If you successfully pass the test, you will be invited to complete the final stage of the application. Please complete the online tests as soon as possible (within 24-48 hours is recommended), the closing date for the tests is 23:55 on 8 April 2024. If you fail to complete the online test before the deadline your application will be withdrawn. Guidance for the test will be available when you are invited to take the test. The tests are administered online and accessed via the CS Jobs website.

Stage 3 - If you successfully pass the test, you will be invited to complete a personal statement of 250 words.

Further details around what this will entail are listed on the application form.

Personal Statement

When completing your personal statement, please read and understand the Key Criteria on slide 8 of the candidate pack thoroughly, as this is what your written evidence will be assessed against. Your layout is entirely your preference; you may choose narrative, bullets, etc. You may choose to address each criteria separately, however, one narrative example may cover and evidence several key criteria. You may not be able to meet all the key criteria, but please ensure you evidence: the key personal requirements and what have you done that relates to the requirements. You don’t have to explain the whole process, just what you have done and the skills and experience you have used. Share with us what makes you suited to this role and why, what you can do and the skills you have that are transferable to the key requirements, and the life experience or passion you have that are linked to this role.

The closing date for applications is 23:55 on 8 April 2024. If you fail to complete any of the 3 stages above before this deadline your application will be withdrawn.

Stage 4 – The sift:

The sift is scheduled to commence week commencing 8 April 2024.

Depending on the volume of applications received we may by-pass the sift process and invite all candidates who complete the first 3 stages of their application by the deadline to an interview.

Stage 5 - The interview process:

The interview will last approximately 30 to 40 minutes. Further details regarding the process are available in the candidate pack.

Interviews are scheduled take place week commencing 22 April 2024.
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Copy and paste - the job of all EO's.
 
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