Dorman Long Tower - Listed Building Status

Ex pfc wintergreen said:
It would be a waste of time money and energy, If the transporter was deemed unsafe and expensive to repair I would have no qualms about demolishing that, I don't even know why we bought it back off Ozz and the lads.
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Have the money spent of maintaining stately homes instead?
 
newyddion said:
Have the money spent of maintaining stately homes instead?
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Be better, maybe use the money saved to build something that ALL the community can use instead of for a few romantics who want a derilict building saving for their own pleasure.,At least people can visit a stately home.
 
ThatFragranceGuy said:
It took a day or two for someone to get it listed. They had 65 years to bother with it before then.
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It took 90 years for the Tyne Bridge bridge to be Grade II listed:

As of August 23rd 2018, the Tyne Bridge is now a Grade II* listed building with Veronica Fiorato of Historic England quoted as describing the bridge as a "representation of the North East's steely attitude".

Veronica Fiorato - Listing Team Leader - Heritage professional with over twenty years experience. Has worked for Historic England (previously English Heritage) since 2003.. the very same that Ben Houchen claims was an office junior who made a mistake listing the building .

Good job Ben Houchen was able to call on ex I'm a celebrity get me out of here to rescind the listing less that 4 hours into her new job.

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JackG said:
We could have a vertical pier!
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We could have had 6 vertical piers for the same price as maintaining a completely intact concrete box (according to Ben Houchen)

Mind you by his calculations it would also have cost us 12,000 long term jobs..
 
Ex pfc wintergreen said:
it is if it stops progress, should we have kept Ayresome as a nostalgic nod to the past. The area needs development not preservation.
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It's needlessly destroying heritage. The area can develop without pulling down something with importance for the area

But it seems some heritage is more important than others.
 
GazC_MFC said:
My family has a history of iron fighting in this area. I’m not sure what benefits of preserving the building brings to the area?
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None.
It was an incredibly ugly and unstable building with no use and very little history.

Anything it could be used for could be done better with a brand new building.
 
TeaCider said:
None.
It was an incredibly ugly and unstable building with no use and very little history.

Anything it could be used for could be done better with a brand new building.
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that could be said of ANY old building, should we just scrap the idea of listed building status and instead place zero value on cultural heritage?
 
rkangel said:
And one of my heroines climbs even further in my estimation.
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Jolyon Maugham of The Good Law Project has now replied to her, saying they're going to look into it.

Now, it may be that her concerns are needless, and it's all as clean as a whistle, but if I had to choose who to trust between her and a Tory mayor, then the dignitary is going daaahn!
 
BoroMart said:
that could be said of ANY old building, should we just scrap the idea of listed building status and instead place zero value on cultural heritage?
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No, it couldn't.

I expect most listed buildings weren't cheap concrete monstrosities used to store coal for less than 20 years between 1956 and the 70s, in the middle of nowhere, and have then lain derelict and decaying for twice as long as they were ever used.

On top of it's complete lack of appeal or history, it was also actively impeding redevelopment of an industrial wasteland that would bring jobs back to an area that desperately needs it.

I've seen far more outrage about this useless hulk being torn down than I ever saw about the Regent Cinema being torn down and that had far more merit to be kept and restored.
It's just weird.
 
newyddion said:
It took 90 years for the Tyne Bridge bridge to be Grade II listed:

As of August 23rd 2018, the Tyne Bridge is now a Grade II* listed building with Veronica Fiorato of Historic England quoted as describing the bridge as a "representation of the North East's steely attitude".

Veronica Fiorato - Listing Team Leader - Heritage professional with over twenty years experience. Has worked for Historic England (previously English Heritage) since 2003.. the very same that Ben Houchen claims was an office junior who made a mistake listing the building .

Good job Ben Houchen was able to call on ex I'm a celebrity get me out of here to rescind the listing less that 4 hours into her new job.

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No it didn't, it took 90 years for someone to apply for listing status. It probably took very little time at all to be awarded that status after the application, just like dorman long building did.

The Tyne bridge was functional and in use so probably not really at risk and they applied for it anyway & wiki says listing status applies for as part of a north eastern showcase. I imagine if it was a disused bridge to nowhere falling apart that was going to be expensive to maintain, they would not have applied.
 
TeaCider said:
No, it couldn't.

I expect most listed buildings weren't cheap concrete monstrosities used to store coal for less than 20 years between 1956 and the 70s, in the middle of nowhere, and have then lain derelict and decaying for twice as long as they were ever used.

On top of it's complete lack of appeal or history, it was also actively impeding redevelopment of an industrial wasteland that would bring jobs back to an area that desperately needs it.

I've seen far more outrage about this useless hulk being torn down than I ever saw about the Regent Cinema being torn down and that had far more merit to be kept and restored.
It's just weird.
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I'm guessing that the regent cinema although more aesthetic isn't indicative of a generations of people's livelihoods in the way this was?
 
Muttley said:
Well perhaps you should just move on? The building has gone, the debate on the merit of retaining it is moot. The real question that should now be addressed is how and why the listing was rescinded by a newly appointed minister in the first few hours of her tenure in the post, who asked for it and who will profit from it?
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It's no secret who asked for it and why.

Ben Houchen asked for it to be rescinded because it was suddenly given listed status 4 days before it was scheduled to be demolished and it interfered with plans to develop the area.
 
No it isn't weird - and there was loads of pressure to keep the Regent Cinema - from lots of quarters.
The tower has gone now and it is very sad in my view. It was a distinctive landmark. It was on tshirts, prints etc. It was an image of the Tees for many, part, present and future.
All the arguments you make about standing in the way of progress were exactly what was said by those that signed the death warrant of the Royal Exchange 35 years ago. The A66 will bring jobs and open up areas and opportunities in Redcar and East Cleveland. Yes the Royal Exchange had more history and perhaps more significance but it had been empty and unwanted along with most of the surrounding buildings for several years. Next month we hold Discover Middlesbrough and every single year people will raise their hands to moan and complain about the Royal Exchange being demolished. As I have said so many times on here before it is OK moaning about crimes from the past but you have to learn from them and fight for the buildings under threat now. That is my take on it.
I just think we have lost a building by an over-hasty decision.
 
My take on it is nothing of value has been lost & consigning it to death by committee wouldn't help anyone. Not seen any private investors come forth to say they're going to lump millions into it, so where was the cash going to come from?

Royal exchange was bang in the middle of the town centre wasn't it, and a very nice looking building? It's as much of an apples to oranges comparison as saying we could have pulled off a Baltic flour mill job. Worlds apart
 
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