Dorman Long Tower - Listed Building Status

Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
The same as you. You've believed a report without seeing any evidence. It's how they mop people up.
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What more evidence am I expected to have other than an independent report highlighting the situation?

you're essentially using the flat Earther / antivaxxer defence scheme here whereby any evidence is explained away as a conspiracy. Even condescendingly explaining it's how "they" moo people up.
 
It's the speed this has happened that concerns me. Within the space of about a week, PP was determined, a date agreed with Network Rail for this weekend that is was going ahead, then it got listed building status, then it was removed. That is not the way a responsible, compliant, organisation is supposed to be ran.
 
Japsi wrote 'It's the speed this has happened that concerns me'

Looking at the drone footage that was put on earlier it looked they were already to start demolishing it. The EG reckon it will be between 1200-0200 on Sunday morning. Going out with a bang and a plume of black smoke no doubt.
 
ThatFragranceGuy said:
What more evidence am I expected to have other than an independent report highlighting the situation?

you're essentially using the flat Earther / antivaxxer defence scheme here whereby any evidence is explained away as a conspiracy. Even condescendingly explaining it's how "they" moo people up.
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You only have a report of a report, you cited the Gazette as your evidence.

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Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
You only have a report of a report, you cited the Gazette as your evidence.

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So like I said, the flat eather / anti vax defence. What do I need to do to make it acceptable, become qualified and conduct my own report and verify the findings via peer review?

I imagine even then you'd be telling me I was biased and the peer review was bought.
 
It's not to late to #SaveDormanLongTower It took 65 years to have this building listed by the people of Teesside and should be the jewel in the crown of any future development.

Get on to Ben Houchen over social media, keep it civil and state your case positively, do not make this political. Make yourself visible and if possible get down to the site and make your presence known the demolition is scheduled for between 12am and 2am so getting down early would be preferable.

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ThatFragranceGuy said:
So like I said, the flat eather / anti vax defence. What do I need to do to make it acceptable, become qualified and conduct my own report and verify the findings via peer review?

I imagine even then you'd be telling me I was biased and the peer review was bought.
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No, just keep accepting without thinking.
 
newyddion said:
Famous Landmarks That Were Almost Destroyed
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At least all of those are great monuments in places where people want to go, so even had they built something new it’s place, the place would still have its appeal.

The Dorman Long tower is an old useless industrial eyesore in the backarse of nowhere that nobody wants to visit or would have no reason to.

Raze the thing. Nobody would know it had been flattened apart from a handful of people that act like they care about the useless thing.
 
HiredGun123 said:
At least all of those are great monuments in places where people want to go, so even had they built something new it’s place, the place would still have its appeal.

The Dorman Long tower is an old useless industrial eyesore in the backarse of nowhere that nobody wants to visit or would have no reason to.

Raze the thing. Nobody would know it had been flattened apart from a handful of people that act like they care about the useless thing.
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^ This 100%.
 
HiredGun123 said:
At least all of those are great monuments in places where people want to go, so even had they built something new it’s place, the place would still have its appeal.

The Dorman Long tower is an old useless industrial eyesore in the backarse of nowhere that nobody wants to visit or would have no reason to.

Raze the thing. Nobody would know it had been flattened apart from a handful of people that act like they care about the useless thing.
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‘Great Monuments in places where people want to go’ Have a think about that. The Dorman Long Tower was a great monument and could have had a multitude of uses. I was speaking to a chap tonight who had secured arts funding for a huge projection by a well respected artist.. the project sounded fantastic and included archive footage of historical works involving the site and the works of Dorman Long. Redcar council were fully behind this and it was originally due to be installed March 2020 (covid meant this was delayed) this was one of many exciting projects involving the structure most of which had funding backed and secured. That will most likely go elsewhere now. It sounded very much like we could have had an industrial heritage/modern art building (similar to the Baltic but with a greater emphasis on industrial heritage and brutalist architecture) Pehaps this is where Ben Houchen is getting the £9m figure from? (it certainly wasn’t the cost of cleaning up a completely intact concrete box) This isn’t money that could go towards the NHS by the way, these are funds that go towards heritage and culture sites across the UK.. most likely these funds will be now be used instead to redecorate a private stately home and provide extra funding to well funded opera or ballet companies. Ben Houchen made the decision himself to have the building de-listed in order to gain favour with a certain crowd of conservatives MP and donors who will no doubt look after his future career interests. Brutalist Architecture is heavily steeped in socialist utopian ideology and stands the polar opposite to Conservative values, add into this the towers huge connection to a successful nationalised industry and an all powerful Teesside conurbation (which the Conservatives have fought to minimise, undermine, undervalue, re-name, split, cut, divide and conquer) and you have the tories number one target for destruction. De-listed by in the four hours by the new Secretary of State for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport in the first four hours of her tenure. Pretty busy morning with the introduction to her new job, tweeting thank yous to her old colleagues, visiting the natural history museum, taking photographs.. and really getting to grips with the architectural merits of a 1950’s concrete structure, the context of the heritage asset at the same time citing irrelevant internal aspects and it’s curtilage as reasons to de-list. She must have picked up her architectural acumen from that time she was on ‘I’m a celebrity get me out of here’ - it certainly reads that way.
 
Glad it's down, absolute eyesore with less than 20 years of actual use in steelmaking and many more years of being a derelict and ugly blot on the landscape.

It'll be strange for a while going past on the train and not seeing it, but onwards and upwards.
 
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