Does anyone else think COVID-19 is seasonal?

UKLL1981 said:
Taken from the NHS website

Winter sunlight

In the UK, sunlight doesn't contain enough UVB radiation in winter (October to early March) for our skin to be able to make vitamin D.

During these months, we rely on getting our vitamin D from food sources (including fortified foods) and supplements.

So it very much depends on your diet but a lot of the foods high in vitamin d are foods we are eating less of for various reasons, oily fish, red meat, eggs etc.

Also again taken from the NHS website:

People at risk of vitamin D deficiency

Some people will not get enough vitamin D from sunlight because they have very little or no sunshine exposure.

The Department of Health and Social Care recommends that you take a daily supplement containing 10 micrograms of vitamin D throughout the year if you:

- are not often outdoors – for example, if you're frail or housebound

- are in an institution like a care home

- usually wear clothes that cover up most of your skin when outdoors

- If you have dark skin – for example you have an African, African-Caribbean or south Asian background – you may also not get enough vitamin D from sunlight.

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Sound familiar?

Also it’s already well known their is a link between vitamin d and the immune systems ability to fight off colds.
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I stand corrected
 
I’m fed up to the back teeth of COVID to be honest. Dunno which figures or theories to believe. Don’t trust a word said by or action this government takes When you see how much corruption is going on with respect to various contract awards etc. Now this venture capitalist woman leaking official government info to investors from a position she doesn’t qualify to be in. It stinks. I’m not saying COVID isn’t real, I just want it to end and to get on with life.
 
I also heard it likes cooler temperatures.

People in packed restaurants and Pubs is a lovely environment for the Virus - you get the impact over a month later when younger pub and party goers give it to elderly relatives and people they come into contact with. I am not been critical just realistic of what happens.
 
El Guapo said:
I’m fed up to the back teeth of COVID to be honest. Dunno which figures or theories to believe. Don’t trust a word said by or action this government takes When you see how much corruption is going on with respect to various contract awards etc. Now this venture capitalist woman leaking official government info to investors from a position she doesn’t qualify to be in. It stinks. I’m not saying COVID isn’t real, I just want it to end and to get on with life.
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It's what those of us on here who have been called all sorts by others believe too.

Way too much money flying about for a stink not to be kicked up.
 
Have a look at Dr John Campbell YouTube video, he's really thinks Vitamin D and good ventilation in homes and buildings might be the best way to fight it (we close windows and turn up the heating in winter which aids the spread, whereas in the summer the windows are usually open for long periods).

Latest video - Dr John Campell

His other videos are worth a watch - he basically looks at studies and trials and picks out the relevant info. He also thinks immunity will be long term like in Sars1.
 
Lefty said:
How does Iran fit into the seasonal theory?

Also, do we need vitamin supplements? My understanding on vitamin supplements is that they are just not necessary*. It’s another bit of woo woo like homeopathy or new age

*unless prescribed by a physician
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Disagree. However, you need to get your nutrients from a healthy balanced diet. Vitamin supplements will support and enhance your well being and overall health. If all you (the royal you of course) eat is crap and don’t exercise but take vitamins and then don’t understand why you’re overweight and dont look or feel great. Well the answers pretty obvious
 
So in fact a reasonable diet is all that is required for all our vitamin needs?

That is probably what I was thinking of. Vitamin supplements are just not necessary for the human body to get all it normally needs. Which makes sense as millions of years of evolution has ensured we are pretty efficient.

There are exceptions of course, our DNA copying system slips up, there are mutations and invasive bacteria and viruses that can affect us. There are also conditions like scurvy which are a result of a prolonged lack of vitamin c sources. Also our body tends to become less efficient with age.

So I can see there could be some reasonable theoretical areas to look at, but is there any evidence. Are there any approaches better than the vaccine and current hygiene precautions?

Still, eating well, taking exercise, getting some fresh air and sunlight plus maybe some supplements within reason probably isn’t going to hurt your chances of surviving a bout of Covid.
 
Lefty said:
So in fact a reasonable diet is all that is required for all our vitamin needs?

That is probably what I was thinking of. Vitamin supplements are just not necessary for the human body to get all it normally needs. Which makes sense as millions of years of evolution has ensured we are pretty efficient.

There are exceptions of course, our DNA copying system slips up, there are mutations and invasive bacteria and viruses that can affect us. There are also conditions like scurvy which are a result of a prolonged lack of vitamin c sources. Also our body tends to become less efficient with age.

So I can see there could be some reasonable theoretical areas to look at, but is there any evidence. Are there any approaches better than the vaccine and current hygiene precautions?

Still, eating well, taking exercise, getting some fresh air and sunlight plus maybe some supplements within reason probably isn’t going to hurt your chances of surviving a bout of Covid.
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I think its in the name. Its a supplement but not a substitute. Eat well exercise, take your vitamins. You’re going to be healthier and more robust to opportunistic infections and diseases such as corona viruses.
 
bully_boy said:
Have a look at Dr John Campbell YouTube video, he's really thinks Vitamin D and good ventilation in homes and buildings might be the best way to fight it (we close windows and turn up the heating in winter which aids the spread, whereas in the summer the windows are usually open for long periods).

Latest video - Dr John Campell

His other videos are worth a watch - he basically looks at studies and trials and picks out the relevant info. He also thinks immunity will be long term like in Sars1.
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A number of studies came out over the summer highlighting the likely role of t-cell immunity and cross reactivity with other coronavirus' (in vivo)

Fairly straightforward for SAGE to make a hotline to those research groups and set up studies (not easy to do on scale but a survey possible) to find out how this holds up in the general population, which I would be pretty certain it does (people have tested positive, had classic symptoms, yet no antibody response) . Why has this not been done? Crucial information which would aid future response. Yet all we hear is vaccine, vaccine, vaccine........................ It is a very fair question to ask why?
 
T_A_D said:
A number of studies came out over the summer highlighting the likely role of t-cell immunity and cross reactivity with other coronavirus' (in vivo)

Fairly straightforward for SAGE to make a hotline to those research groups and set up studies (not easy to do on scale but a survey possible) to find out how this holds up in the general population, which I would be pretty certain it does (people have tested positive, had classic symptoms, yet no antibody response) . Why has this not been done? Crucial information which would aid future response. Yet all we hear is vaccine, vaccine,

vaccine........................ It is a very fair question to ask why?
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Because none of the members of SAGE are virologists and yet theyre advising how to combat a virus?
 
Juninho10 said:
Still don't understand why no expert has commented on the fact we had low cases in summer when everyone was out and about....

Schools go back and look where we are
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Cases were low in summer as the virus doesn't transmit well then. I keep saying it but the basics were outlined by Edgar Hope Simpson. Cases were always likely to rise a bit in Autumn, regardless of schools going back. What is critical is the percentage of the population still susceptible, not restrictions. We are heading into further restrictions at a point when the rise in "cases" is slowing anyway but I suspect SAGE will claim the restrictions were crucial. This can be contested by looking at "case" data against when measures were brought in.
 
Ted_DN38416 said:
Because none of the members of SAGE are virologists and yet theyre advising how to combat a virus?
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A lack of virologists and immunologists. Lots of "modelers" though. Trying to "flatten the curve" and push it into summer. Push a coronavirus peak into summer....... to think I actually believed this utter horsesh*t back in Feb and March.
 
Lefty said:
So in fact a reasonable diet is all that is required for all our vitamin needs?
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So I can see there could be some reasonable theoretical areas to look at, but is there any evidence. Are there any approaches better than the vaccine and current hygiene precautions?
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There's good scientific evidence that large portions of the population in many countries (especially in more northern climes in the winter) are vitamin D deficient - and that this has a serious and measurable effect on the severity of Covid-19 in patients.

See video below where Dr John Campbell gives a quick primer on the role of Vitamin D in modulating the immune system and presents the scientific evidence from a number of recent studies related to this, and its effects on the progression of Covid-19 infections.

 
Jonny Ingbar said:
The timing of the case numbers and deaths, not just in the UK, but around the world would suggest it is?
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If it was seasonal, like flu is said to be seasonal, why didn't we have far more cases and deaths in August? The 5 year average for for flu deaths show August to have about a third of the deaths seen in January.
 
T_A_D said:
Cases were low in summer as the virus doesn't transmit well then. I keep saying it but the basics were outlined by Edgar Hope Simpson. Cases were always likely to rise a bit in Autumn, regardless of schools going back. What is critical is the percentage of the population still susceptible, not restrictions. We are heading into further restrictions at a point when the rise in "cases" is slowing anyway but I suspect SAGE will claim the restrictions were crucial. This can be contested by looking at "case" data against when measures were brought in.
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You keep quoting Edgar hope. Why is Mexico the same as southern America as posed earlier in the thread?
 
Juninho10 said:
Still don't understand why no expert has commented on the fact we had low cases in summer when everyone was out and about....

Schools go back and look where we are
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Because it's quicker and easier to blame the hospitality industry. It's not like we haven't been blamed before for stuff like busy A+E's on a weekend even though that's caused by people not acting responsibly.
 
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