Did anyone hear Neil Warnock on Talksport this morning?

newyddion said:
Warnock improved us Pulis did not.
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Pulis got us into the play offs, we weren't in a play off position when he took over.

He would have likely got us in 2 seasons running but for Derby's financial cheating robbing us of a place.

You've said we have to look at full seasons, so not sure how Warnocks full season of finishing 10th and 13 points behind the play offs equates to better than 5th and 7th. And of course Warnock was heading for a bottom half finish this season before rightly getting booted
 
In fact Karanka getting us 2nd and 4th, and Pulis getting us to 5th in this league are the best championship performances for 23years at this level, but apparently Warnock is better because he's funny and is the only manager ever to inherit an imperfect squad or have an injury crisis :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 
I think context is important when comparing past managers.

Pulis achieved higher finishes than Warnock during his time here but he achieved it whilst operarting with a much bigger budget. He also inherited a much better squad than the squad Warnock inherited when he first took over.

I think there's every chance Warnock would have equalled what Pulis achieved operating under the same circumstances, or maybe even bettered it. Equally, there's every chance Pulis would have bettered what Warnock achieved during his time here, working under the same circumstances.

Ultimately, I regard both Pulis and Warnock as failures though. With all their experience I feel both should have gotten us into the play-offs after a full season, and Pulis more so, considering the money that was spent during his tenure.
 
BoroMart said:
Pulis got us into the play offs, we weren't in a play off position when he took over.

He would have likely got us in 2 seasons running but for Derby's financial cheating robbing us of a place.

You've said we have to look at full seasons, so not sure how Warnocks full season of finishing 10th and 13 points behind the play offs equates to better than 5th and 7th. And of course Warnock was heading for a bottom half finish this season before rightly getting booted
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He got us to the playoffs by playing much worse football and gaining the exact same number of points as Garry Monk. Finishing 7th was a massive failure given the resources that were available to Pulis.
 
He said he turned up the day after he was sacked and they wouldn’t let him in because the new manager was having a press conference. We didn’t announce Wilder on the Sunday did we? Think he’s been caught out talking ***** personally

would anyone expect to just turn to a job they were just sacked from and expect to be let in anyway?

He’s made plenty of money from football, why not retire and enjoy it instead of these continuous radio appearances to criticise the club? Must have better things to do with his time
 
BoroMart said:
In fact Karanka getting us 2nd and 4th, and Pulis getting us to 5th in this league are the best championship performances for 23years at this level, but apparently Warnock is better because he's funny and is the only manager ever to inherit an imperfect squad or have an injury crisis :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
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No not at all. Warnock’s time with us was comparable with Aitor Karanka’s. Warnock did the job of Tony Mowbray and early Karanka under much more difficult circumstances.

Tony Pulis massively underachieved, he had a leave smashing squad at his disposal.. a total blag.
 
newyddion said:
No not at all. Warnock’s time with us was comparable with Aitor Karanka’s. Warnock did the job of Tony Mowbray and early Karanka under much more difficult circumstances.

Tony Pulis massively underachieved, he had a leave smashing squad at his disposal.. a total blag.
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Do you really believe what you are writing? It's absolutely bonkers mate.
 
Just wanted to add my two penneth here. I was a fan of Warnock but to say that his time with us was comparable to Karanka's is absolute hogwash. Newy, you're just arguing for the sake of it and it's really tiresome. Afraid you're going to have to go onto the ignore button alongside the other one.
 
BoroMart said:
I like newy, he's a proper board character, but jees he's down some absolute rabbit hole here
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It’s a reasoned well thought out point.. albeit somewhat redundant.

Onwards and Upwards! Chris Wilder is the gaffer now, Bola, Dijksteel & Fry back in the team and a Kieran Scott fuelled January to go at!!
 
I'm looking forward to the style of play developing under Wilder. My personal philosophy is built around passing with purpose, I like one and two touch football, but progressive, playing it across the back 4 is fine, up to a point, you always have to look to get it forward, but short/medium passes to players between the lines. It's what Wilder like sto do. He likes to commit bodies up the field, the more bodies you have up the field the more chances you create, the deeper you force the opposition. I like to see Boro playing in and around the opposition box, and moving the ball quickly with little interpassing and movement.

It's been a decent start, and if it continues in this upwards trajectory, it could be exciting times.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
One last thing on Warnock for the moment. I posted this on here a few weeks back but when he took over he made a point of saying in the press that he read FMTTM and knew what supporters were saying, how they felt, how he liked to read their views and whatnot. He sent Gestede off home because Gestede didn't want to play after his contract had ended. It was such a shrewd move on Warnock's part. He knew how unpopular Gestede was and got rid of him, he got everyone onside from the first moment. It was great PR; it made him look good and gave him authority. In reality, the club will have paid Gestede's remaining fortnight or whatever and a bloke who probably wouldn't have kicked another ball for the Boro was sent off on holiday a little earlier than he expected.

I'm not saying I wanted Gestede to stay - he was crap for Boro, a terrible signing and a complete waste of money - but that was a great example of how Warnock works IMO.

When Warnock left Boro he was very clever in who he slated in the press. Everyone knew he was on about Bausor because he wouldn't dare criticise Gibson, he said himself he couldn't have asked for more from him, and I think he said Scott wanted to do things his way but there were no issues with him. It can't have been the recruitment staff because they have no real authority; they scout and suggest players, they don't sign them. In fact Warnock said really early on, in his first summer, that they'd suggested a defender to him who was 'the best in Europe or something' according to his stats but Warnock didn't fancy it so it didn't happen. That shows Warnock had the power to run things as he wanted. Think about what he said when he left; he knows full well that a sizeable number of Boro supporters who post on here and elsewhere online give Bausor loads of stick, and the recruitment team. He threw him under the bus to save himself. I wouldn't believe a word of what Warnock says about Bausor or anyone else TBH.

I think Warnock scapegoated Bausor, or tried to, just like he tried to scapegoat Spence, Akpom, Coulson, Jones, Payero, Siliki, the Gazette journo, the ref, the FA, etc. He'd thrown anyone under the bus to save himself and his reputation. He knows football inside out and that's how he works. Boro are just another club on his CV. He might be good mates with the chairman. But he deliberately singled out the chief executive because he knows it'll fly IMO. He's a shrewd operator when it comes to the media.
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absolutely nailed it, can't agree enough with the majority of this.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
One last thing on Warnock for the moment. .......He sent Gestede off home because ......He knew how unpopular Gestede was and got rid of him, he got everyone onside from the first moment. It was great PR; it made him look good and gave him authority. In reality, the club will have paid Gestede's remaining fortnight or whatever and a bloke who probably wouldn't have kicked another ball for the Boro was sent off on holiday a little earlier than he expected.......

........he was very clever in who he slated in the press. Everyone knew he was on about Bausor because he wouldn't dare criticise Gibson, ........That shows Warnock had the power to run things as he wanted. Think about what he said when he left; he knows full well that a sizeable number of Boro supporters who post on here and elsewhere online give Bausor loads of stick, and the recruitment team. He threw him under the bus to save himself........

I think Warnock scapegoated Bausor, or tried to, just like he tried to scapegoat Spence, Akpom, Coulson, Jones, Payero, Siliki, the Gazette journo, the ref, the FA, etc. He'd thrown anyone under the bus to save himself and his reputation.
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What you are describing is populism, it always catches up and history looks badly at people who use populism to promote their power. What was it he said "Good ole Boris", peas in a pod in their approach to gaining and consolidating power.

It's funny how most clubs that Warnock has managed have sacked him after a falling out, and many of the fans of those clubs hate him. I even know QPR fans that think he's an idiot despite promotion.
 
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