Dentists

Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
Maybe we'll get teams of doctors and dentists flying in from the EU and setting up temporary clinics as we move towards being a third world country.
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For a guy who can be on the button you let your bigoted hatred of this country spoil it. Just yesterday I was chatting to a lad from Sudan, did you know they have more pyramids than Egypt? A lot had their tops blown off by an Italian. It's amazing what you can learn. He lives this country, he loves living in Middlesbrough, he loves not having to bribe the police, he lives sending home £400 a month, he loves the culture and safety. Maybe you would feel safer in Khartoum.
1finny said:
Jaysus, it has come to this.
Lets benchmark our country with Sudan

I've heard people from Syria and Ukraine prefer it here than in their countries too.
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I thought using the phrase 'third world' was both elitist and of the Empire.

I don't look down on people from Sudan, I see them no differently to you and I. I don't know enough about the country to denigrate it, I will leave that to you and our resident bigot.
 
I have gone to the same Dentist in Thornaby for 30 years. My own dentist in the practice (Mr Love) retired about 3 years ago and I was switched to a new guy. Went last week for my check up and was told they are going fully private from September and unless I switch to their £24.60 a month private offer this would be my last visit. If I wanted to access NHS treatment I would need to find an alternate dentist who are still taking on new patients. No negotiation - pay £24.60 a month or your out. Sadly the shape of things to come if Johnson and Co remain in place.
 
Dentists and doctors are trained in the NHS. Training for both professions costs a great deal of money. Those same professional gain experience and skills in the NHS. Many get their training and experience and then decide to either go part private or totally private. If they do that, make them pay back the entirety of the costs of their training.
 
Duffman said:
I have gone to the same Dentist in Thornaby for 30 years. My own dentist in the practice (Mr Love) retired about 3 years ago and I was switched to a new guy. Went last week for my check up and was told they are going fully private from September and unless I switch to their £24.60 a month private offer this would be my last visit. If I wanted to access NHS treatment I would need to find an alternate dentist who are still taking on new patients. No negotiation - pay £24.60 a month or your out. Sadly the shape of things to come if Johnson and Co remain in place.
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Is that the one on Allensway?
 
John67 said:
Dentists and doctors are trained in the NHS. Training for both professions costs a great deal of money. Those same professional gain experience and skills in the NHS. Many get their training and experience and then decide to either go part private or totally private. If they do that, make them pay back the entirety of the costs of their training.
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I agree, but on a sliding scale depending on how long you work for the NHS.

When I graduated in 09 the figure bandied about was £250k per dentist after tuition fees. The idea that you can just walk away is ridiculous. I looked into going into it through the RAF as they would pay my tuition fees. They demanded 7 years service for that, which seems fair enough.
 
Duffman said:
I have gone to the same Dentist in Thornaby for 30 years. My own dentist in the practice (Mr Love) retired about 3 years ago and I was switched to a new guy. Went last week for my check up and was told they are going fully private from September and unless I switch to their £24.60 a month private offer this would be my last visit. If I wanted to access NHS treatment I would need to find an alternate dentist who are still taking on new patients. No negotiation - pay £24.60 a month or your out. Sadly the shape of things to come if Johnson and Co remain in place.
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So they don't even need the excuse of not attending for 2 years, they can just choose to go private out of the blue. It's scary to think the amount of people who rely on going through the NHS with costs etc.. I couldn't afford to stump up hundreds of pounds on the spot so I'm putting it back a month to get the work done and will have to work over time to pay for it .. 👍
 
Duffman said:
I have gone to the same Dentist in Thornaby for 30 years. My own dentist in the practice (Mr Love) retired about 3 years ago and I was switched to a new guy. Went last week for my check up and was told they are going fully private from September and unless I switch to their £24.60 a month private offer this would be my last visit. If I wanted to access NHS treatment I would need to find an alternate dentist who are still taking on new patients. No negotiation - pay £24.60 a month or your out. Sadly the shape of things to come if Johnson and Co remain in place.
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I've just been to this dentist this morning and they never said a word to me about going private.
 
BorrisiaTeeth said:
I agree, but on a sliding scale depending on how long you work for the NHS.

When I graduated in 09 the figure bandied about was £250k per dentist after tuition fees. The idea that you can just walk away is ridiculous. I looked into going into it through the RAF as they would pay my tuition fees. They demanded 7 years service for that, which seems fair enough.
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It’s almost unbelievable that a scheme like this isn’t in place already. £250k of society funded training and then you are free to work in the private sector immediately. That’s scandalous.
 
Pretty similar situation to me. Tried what felt like every single dentist within distance of Boro, not a single one taking on any new NHS patients.

Have ended up signing up to Denplan and have got in with one in Marton privately. £14.95 per month, think that includes 2 check ups per year, 2 hygienist visits per year, then a certain discount on any treatment needed.
 
RoaryTheLion said:
It’s almost unbelievable that a scheme like this isn’t in place already. £250k of society funded training and then you are free to work in the private sector immediately. That’s scandalous.
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In my role in the NHS if we do qualifications then we have to pay back any funding we've received if we leave. We can go to another NHS trust for free and the amount we have to pay back reduces per year but I think it's something like 3 years post-qualification before there's nothing to pay back. Seems fair to me.
 
Beer&Boro said:
I've just been to this dentist this morning and they never said a word to me about going private.
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I am going to ring them - the dentist himself told me after my check up. Gave me the leaflet and said from September we are not doing any NHS treatments. Will follow up after my call.
 
There was a chap on the wireless earlier today who'd got so desperate that he'd ended up pulling a couple of his own teeth out with a pair of pliers 😮😬🫣
 
I have resorted to paying the monthly fee privately. It's quite a ridiculous situation really and can only see things getting worse unfortunately
 
the program contradicted itself on quite a big point. It stated that it is wrong that people get kicked off the list for not attending for over 2 years, but we should take on new patients.

At the practice I work at we have extended that period to Jan 1st 2019 because of covid. Which I think is reasonable.

We don’t know if you have left the area, moved to another practice, or have died. There has to be a cut off. We are no doubt turning away new patients keeping spots open for people who will never return.
 
Heard a lot of stuff on BBC yesterday about lack of dentists taking nhs patients and government response was a meaningless 'we're giving it priority' without any evidence that's the case. Goes back to the dentist payment system set up under Blair which has not kept up with inflation so practices struggling to make money and no-ones looked at it since and not likely to as Tories would like to see it 100% private. Some real horror stories of self dentistry will no doubt be forthcoming
 
BorrisiaTeeth said:
I completely agree, hence being 100% NHS In a high needs area for 13 years. After all, they trained me!

The current contract and system is the problem. It’s entirely target driven, and I think target driven health care is an oxymoron. This leads to poor treatment, as we basically have to score enough points or get penalised. It makes you look at a patient and think ‘how do I get the most points out of them?’ Rather than what is best.

Also, if you go over your target, you receive no extra funding. Hence nobody taking on and offering private as an alternative. If I hit my target by Jan, I get paid zero for what I do feb and March until the new tax year. Hence we try to keep our books at a point where you hit the target bang on. There is no incentive whatsoever for taking on new nhs patients.
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If the current contract is wrong, what about the contract it superceded. You were guaranteed to need fillings after every check-up. When they changed the contract it was check-up after check-up with no treatment deemed necessary. Or maybe that was only my experience.
And why are they doing check-ups at all whilst there's a backlog of work?
 
I would like some advice regarding paying for dental treatment.

I've never needed dental treament aside from fillings in the past, however at my last appointment I was told that I would need a crown fitting onto one of my front teeth. My dentist also told me that on my next visit he will create a dental model of my teeth, so that he can get an accurate replication of my teeth, and gain a better understanding of what treatment will be required.

Several of my teeth are badly damaged due to acid erosion (I suffer from acid reflux but foolishly used to drink a lot of fizzy drinks) and may require crowns to be fitted, or possibly composite bonding, I'm not sure yet what my dentist will suggest.

Would I be able to get this treatment done by an NHS dentist, or is it likely I will have to accept paying over the odds to get it done privately?
 
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