De Niro on trump -

speckyget said:
Again, you're conflating 'beyond reasonable doubt' with innocence. Say it if you want - he didn't do it. Bet you $83m he did.
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Well you do have to prove guilt 'beyond reasonable doubt'. In the eyes of the law 'innocent until proven guilty'.

We just seem to be going round in circles, so we'll have to disagree. We'll at least you debated without resorting to personal insults.
 
Oh dear "Thick brucie" is struggling on this thread.

And Im sure he'll appreciate the rapier sharp wit of that nickname, given the appreciation he has for Donald's own "hilarious" zingers.
 
Bruciebonus said:
Well you do have to prove guilt 'beyond reasonable doubt'. In the eyes of the law 'innocent until proven guilty'.

We just seem to be going round in circles, so we'll have to disagree. We'll at least you debated without resorting to personal insults.
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Well, Trump is guilty to the tune of a considerable sum. If you think E. Jean Carroll is a liar please continue to put that out there. I'd recommend a conversation with your bank first.
 
festa5 said:
Oh dear "Thick brucie" is struggling on this thread.

And Im sure he'll appreciate the rapier sharp wit of that nickname, given the appreciation he has for Donald's own "hilarious" zingers.
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Not sure I follow your logic, Trump insults his opponents and that's wrong so your going to do it?

As for struggling, I'm not the 'thickie' relying on insults.
 
festa5 said:
Oh dear "Thick brucie" is struggling on this thread.

And Im sure he'll appreciate the rapier sharp wit of that nickname, given the appreciation he has for Donald's own "hilarious" zingers.
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He’s made an absolute fool of himself from the get-go and it went downhill from there……but at least he’s honouring his idol with his intellect and trajectory
 
speckyget said:
Indeed they do. And if you think that's a sound basis on which to defend the rapist Trump, and further defame his victim E. Jean Carroll, go right ahead.
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Criminal trials deal in guilt where civil trials deal in liability. Guilt and liability are not the same things. A criminal jury uses trial evidence to make a determination of innocence or guilt. A civil jury will use a lower threshold of evidence to make a finding of civil liability. That's why Trump has to pay damages, he has not been prosecuted for a crime. BTW when have I accused anyone of being a liar, nobody was there to witness what happened, the only people who know the truth are Trump and his accuser? I have criticised the process and the threshold of evidence used.
 
The (American) civil court rulings are only about getting the perpetrator to pay up for their so called crimes.

Most of us recognize that OJ Simpson probably murdered his former wife and her boyfriend, but somehow the defence managed to weasel OJ out of it.

The problem with American justice it’s all about finding the money to hire the right lawyers and then get your case in a courtroom which will side with you. Basically it’s a joke (judicial) system when it’s based on money/corruption and buying off the judge and possibly the jury.
 
I think in the cult of Trump his only mistake is understating how wonderful he is
The January 6th mob causing several deaths including police - and demanding the hanging of his own vice president Mike Pence when he stepped outside the bubble and certified the election results, recorded on phone demanding 11000 more votes were 'found' by a Republican who said the result was genuine, multiple court cases against him for all manner of things, attending a Sinn Fein fundraiser when IRA were still bombing


Nothing - absolutely nothing - makes the cult of Trump see anything but him being the saviour of the world
They don't see that Don doesn't give a damn about anyone but Don
 
Bruciebonus said:
Criminal trials deal in guilt where civil trials deal in liability. Guilt and liability are not the same things. A criminal jury uses trial evidence to make a determination of innocence or guilt. A civil jury will use a lower threshold of evidence to make a finding of civil liability. That's why Trump has to pay damages, he has not been prosecuted for a crime. BTW when have I accused anyone of being a liar, nobody was there to witness what happened, the only people who know the truth are Trump and his accuser? I have criticised the process and the threshold of evidence used.
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Yes, you have used the splitting of semantic atoms to defend a rapist against his victim. I hope whatever fleeting satisfaction that brings helps with whatever the hell you need from this. And just for completeness, by insisting on Trump's innocence of course you're calling his victim a liar. At least have the courage to stand up for that.
 
speckyget said:
Yes, you have used the splitting of semantic atoms to defend a rapist against his victim. I hope whatever fleeting satisfaction that brings helps with whatever the hell you need from this. And just for completeness, by insisting on Trump's innocence of course you're calling his victim a liar. At least have the courage to stand up for that.
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Courage isn’t something that trumpians are reknowned for
 
Looking forward to tomorrow evening, when Bruce will be arguing the case for Farage being a hero to ethnic minorities and explaining why Putin should get the Nobel Peace Prize. Tuesday he’s doing a bit about Alexander Boris de Pfeffel being a man of impeccable character and moral fibre, as well as a leader renowned for possessing the utmost integrity, honesty and principles. Thursday he’ll be explaining why we are ignorant for not understanding how Truss is actually a titan of academia and a genius of economics.
 
Kosovo said:
What a interesting post never knew any of that.

Not sure De Niro been truthful judging by some of his more infamous roles he’s played in films.
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I'd be interested to know
Kosovo said:
What a interesting post never knew any of that.

Not sure De Niro been truthful judging by some of his more infamous roles he’s played in films.
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I'd be interested to know what good he saw in Al Capone before he agreed to portray him 🙂
 
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