Covid vaccines: ‘Immunity passport’ may be used for admission to pubs, restaurants and sporting venues

Artie Fufkin said:
apart from using outdated language which some will find offensive, you are factually incorrect - a pub an refuse entry and refuse to serve you if, when requested, you do not produce satisfactory proof of age
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Artie, what is this about? A pub. as you well know has limited right to refusal, as does every business and venue open to public access.
 
FatCat said:
You’ve lost me a bit here - I’ll have to read up on the bill But I would maintain the most obvious reason is the most likely one in that they are trying to protect people by limiting the spread of covid.
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And you may be right FatCat. If every government were benevolent laws would not be abused. History proves that, horribly wrong, unfortunately.
 
Laughing said:
Artie, what is this about? A pub. as you well know has limited right to refusal, as does every business and venue open to public access.
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A pub isn't a public place. Under common law, a pub can refuse entry or service to whomever it wants, apart from authorities such as the police. Against that, they can't refuse entry based on race, gender, disability, sexual orientation, religion or belief.
 
Laughing said:
Artie, what is this about? A pub. as you well know has limited right to refusal, as does every business and venue open to public access.
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What this is about is the possibility of implementing temporary measures to control the spread of the virus and allowing some currently removed freedoms to return. In much the same way proof of age is required for entry into certain premises, a Covid passport type of arrangement could be temporarily introduced and included within the parameters of what is legally permitted as right to refusal.

I really cant make it any more simple for you than that, but you seem to be unwilling to get your head round this, for reasons I don't understand. I am not suggesting anything other than this simple additional entrance policy. I'm not advocating any removal of or any changes to current policy, regulation and legislation around medical history or any other such thing and I don't understand your paranoia about what the Govt or anyone else will do with your information that is nothing more than knowledge of a negative test by means of scanning into a venue, literally nothing more whatsoever

I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you
 
Artie Fufkin said:
What this is about is the possibility of implementing temporary measures to control the spread of the virus and allowing some currently removed freedoms to return. In much the same way proof of age is required for entry into certain premises, a Covid passport type of arrangement could be temporarily introduced and included within the parameters of what is legally permitted as right to refusal.

I really cant make it any more simple for you than that, but you seem to be unwilling to get your head round this, for reasons I don't understand. I am not suggesting anything other than this simple additional entrance policy. I'm not advocating any removal of or any changes to current policy, regulation and legislation around medical history or any other such thing and I don't understand your paranoia about what the Govt or anyone else will do with your information that is nothing more than knowledge of a negative test by means of scanning into a venue, literally nothing more whatsoever

I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you
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I was more referring to your tone Artie, not your opinion. Buet hey ho.
 
bear66 said:
A pub isn't a public place. Under common law, a pub can refuse entry or service to whomever it wants, apart from authorities such as the police. Against that, they can't refuse entry based on race, gender, disability, sexual orientation, religion or belief.
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It isn't bear but it has public access, and the right of refusal is limited as you say and the limitations go a bit further than the list you gave. Which was my point.
 
Laughing said:
I was more referring to your tone Artie, not your opinion. Buet hey ho.
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In which case I think you're interpreting "a tone" which isn't there - always difficult to gauge tone in the written word. I didn't think use of the word "cripple" was a particularly appropriate choice of language
 
Laughing said:
It isn't bear but it has public access, and the right of refusal is limited as you say and the limitations go a bit further than the list you gave. Which was my point.
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  • The starting point is that despite the name, a “public” house, your pub is not open to the general public, and is still private property

Legal Reminder: Refusing Entry to your Premises – Hastings Area Business Crime Reduction Partnership

www.bcrphastings.com www.bcrphastings.com

 
Laughing said:
It isn't bear but it has public access, and the right of refusal is limited as you say and the limitations go a bit further than the list you gave. Which was my point.
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You have no right to public access. The right of refusal is unlimited, other than the reasons I gave.
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bear66 said:
You have no right to public access. The right of refusal is unlimited, other than the reasons I gave.
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Not sure it is Bear, let me give you one example, a pub in london a few years ago was taken to court and ordered to admit an HIV positive customer. I recall the case in question. In any event it doesn'detract from the point I am making that venues asking for medical information is in itself not a breach of law, but the government cannot make it law in the UK. The same as, in the UK you do not have to tell a partner you are HIV positive but you do have to take precautions to keep you partner safe. If you do not disclose AND you do not use barrier protection you may be liable to prosecution. It, largley amounts to the same scenario, keeping prvate medical conditions that could potentially damage someone else.

I may not agree with the law in that example, but it is the law.
 
Artie Fufkin said:
  • The starting point is that despite the name, a “public” house, your pub is not open to the general public, and is still private property

Legal Reminder: Refusing Entry to your Premises – Hastings Area Business Crime Reduction Partnership

www.bcrphastings.com www.bcrphastings.com

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Nice one.. Not really the argument though is it Artie?

Look you have your opinion, I don't agree with it, I have mine, you don't agree. Thats fine.

The innappropriate use of a word was dealt with, I wasn't aware that some might find it offenssive and it was unintentional, I thought that was obvious, if not apologies.
 
Laughing said:
Nice one.. Not really the argument though is it Artie?

Look you have your opinion, I don't agree with it, I have mine, you don't agree. Thats fine.

The innappropriate use of a word was dealt with, I wasn't aware that some might find it offenssive and it was unintentional, I thought that was obvious, if not apologies.
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Bit of a dodge there. It is absolutely relevant to the argument/debate, or at least the one I'm having, you seem to be having an entirely different one

You're right, we will never agree on this. I just hope if you ever get pulled by a policeman and asked to produce your driving licence you don't go into a meltdown about infringement of human rights and a descent into a fascist totalitarian state because it seems that is exactly what you would do if a pub worker asked to see your Covid passport

It's a moot point anyway as Gove has said it is not happening, although how much credence anyone gives to Gove on anything is something to be wary of
 
Laughing said:
Not sure it is Bear, let me give you one example, a pub in london a few years ago was taken to court and ordered to admit an HIV positive customer. I recall the case in question. In any event it doesn'detract from the point I am making that venues asking for medical information is in itself not a breach of law, but the government cannot make it law in the UK. The same as, in the UK you do not have to tell a partner you are HIV positive but you do have to take precautions to keep you partner safe. If you do not disclose AND you do not use barrier protection you may be liable to prosecution. It, largley amounts to the same scenario, keeping prvate medical conditions that could potentially damage someone else.

I may not agree with the law in that example, but it is the law.
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HIV counts a a disability in the 2000 Equality act.
 
Artie Fufkin said:
Bit of a dodge there. It is absolutely relevant to the argument/debate, or at least the one I'm having, you seem to be having an entirely different one

You're right, we will never agree on this. I just hope if you ever get pulled by a policeman and asked to produce your driving licence you don't go into a meltdown about infringement of human rights and a descent into a fascist totalitarian state because it seems that is exactly what you would do if a pub worker asked to see your Covid passport

It's a moot point anyway as Gove has said it is not happening, although how much credence anyone gives to Gove on anything is something to be wary of
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Can't help yourself Artie, can you.
 
Laughing said:
Wasn't aware of that Bear, perhaps that was as a result of the court case, the case was a long time ago, but not sure if it was 20 years ago though.
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It was in Schedule 1 of the original act. HIV, cancer and MS are listed together.
 
Centralscrutinizer said:
In the meantime, another member of the inept government, Gove, has come out and said we won't have Covid passports. Someone needs to ask the chief clown BloJo just so we can be properly confused.
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When lying becomes an actual political tactic you can just pretty much discount half of what the government say in this case its just working out which half to discount. Hopefully for once Govey isn't lying.

It seem all 1984. Very scary to have such control imposed upon us. I guess the "covid wardens" will be renamed as vaccine stazi
 
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