Climate change and lack of action

Boroboyyo

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I know it’s being done to death, but at what point is it going to get so bad that governments worldwide start acknowledging there is a serious problem and the current measures are not strong enough ?

Based on current policies , we’re forecast to have global temperatures rise by 3 degrees Celsius by 2100 . Doesn’t sound to big but such an increase will destroy plenty of ecosystems and subject significant parts of the world to famine and severe water shortages . I mean we’ve already had an increase of just 1.2 degrees Celsius and already all of southern and Eastern England are under drought and I read a shocking statistic a few weeks back that nearly 60% of the eu were in danger of entering drought. Satellite images currently of Southern England and France make them look like deserts

I don’t know about you lot but even as a 31 year old I’ve noticed the weather change over time :

- every few years you could guarantee a winter with a decent bit of snow . Aside from the beast from the east , this hasn’t happened in the last 12 years .
- you do sometimes get them , but mornings in the winter where you wake up to frost are much less frequent
- winters just feel overall milder

I seriously worry for the future unless more radical action is taken on this subject :

- banning of sales of petrol and diesel cars needs to be accelerated
- our cities need much more trees and greenery
- carbon capture as a technology needs to become much more common than it currently is
- more investment in renewables and promotion business of companies that sell renewables
- much more of investment in nuclear energy . Much more investment in the research of fusion technology too
 

MolteniArcore

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First hosepipe ban in Yorkshire in 27 years. That shocked me. I'm 41 and thought I remembered there being loads of hosepipe bans. That might be the problem - we remember things differently as we age.

I think not much will change until it gets much worse.
 

Nobby_Barnes

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I know it’s being done to death, but at what point is it going to get so bad that governments worldwide start acknowledging there is a serious problem and the current measures are not strong enough ?

Based on current policies , we’re forecast to have global temperatures rise by 3 degrees Celsius by 2100 . Doesn’t sound to big but such an increase will destroy plenty of ecosystems and subject significant parts of the world to famine and severe water shortages . I mean we’ve already had an increase of just 1.2 degrees Celsius and already all of southern and Eastern England are under drought and I read a shocking statistic a few weeks back that nearly 60% of the eu were in danger of entering drought. Satellite images currently of Southern England and France make them look like deserts

I don’t know about you lot but even as a 31 year old I’ve noticed the weather change over time :

- every few years you could guarantee a winter with a decent bit of snow . Aside from the beast from the east , this hasn’t happened in the last 12 years .
- you do sometimes get them , but mornings in the winter where you wake up to frost are much less frequent
- winters just feel overall milder

I seriously worry for the future unless more radical action is taken on this subject :

- banning of sales of petrol and diesel cars needs to be accelerated
- our cities need much more trees and greenery
- carbon capture as a technology needs to become much more common than it currently is
- more investment in renewables and promotion business of companies that sell renewables
- much more of investment in nuclear energy . Much more investment in the research of fusion technology too
Very good post kid, I will be voting for the Green party at the next election I would think....👍
 

Boroboyyo

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Very good post kid, I will be voting for the Green party at the next election I would think....👍

Problem is the mainstream parties need to start tackling it urgently . Hell everyone worldwide does. It’s an issue that should be bringing the human race together to protect the planet . Left wing or right wing, we only have one planet to live on.

I don’t think we can stop it completely but I think we should be striving to get that number down to under 2 degrees Celsius by 2100. 1.6 is probably too ambitious according to experts but it is more manageable under 2. If we can get it under 2 then I think we will have much more unstable weather and be more uncomfortable but should be able to preserve ecosystems and stop the planet from the worst of it
 

BlindBoyGrunt

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First hosepipe ban in Yorkshire in 27 years. That shocked me. I'm 41 and thought I remembered there being loads of hosepipe bans. That might be the problem - we remember things differently as we age.

I think not much will change until it gets much worse.
Neoliberalism, privatisation and continuous growth are unsustainable but every political leader places great emphasis on the latter.
As for privatisation; according to the National Audit Office in 2018, the daily demand for water in the uk was 18 billion litres and the daily amount lost through leaking pipelines was 3 billion litres. Reservoirs have been filled in and sold off to housing developers. The owners of the privatised water companies pay themselves obscene amounts of money. The less they can spend on repairs and the more land they can sell off, the more they can pay themselves. It can't continue, but every generation is prepared to leave it to the next, and the next, and so on.

Look at the pushback on the civil disobedience thread.
 

Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret

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When it's too late. People don't tend to give a **** about things unless they are affecting them directly. You'll start to see change in about 20 years time I think. The fact that recycling is still done on a counsel to counsel level and each one recycles different things shows just how little a **** is given. Still Liz truss might be next prime minister which would make global warming much less likely, as she will probably plunge us into a nuclear winter.
 

Funky_Chicken

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I know it’s being done to death, but at what point is it going to get so bad that governments worldwide start acknowledging there is a serious problem and the current measures are not strong enough ?

Based on current policies , we’re forecast to have global temperatures rise by 3 degrees Celsius by 2100 . Doesn’t sound to big but such an increase will destroy plenty of ecosystems and subject significant parts of the world to famine and severe water shortages . I mean we’ve already had an increase of just 1.2 degrees Celsius and already all of southern and Eastern England are under drought and I read a shocking statistic a few weeks back that nearly 60% of the eu were in danger of entering drought. Satellite images currently of Southern England and France make them look like deserts

I don’t know about you lot but even as a 31 year old I’ve noticed the weather change over time :

- every few years you could guarantee a winter with a decent bit of snow . Aside from the beast from the east , this hasn’t happened in the last 12 years .
- you do sometimes get them , but mornings in the winter where you wake up to frost are much less frequent
- winters just feel overall milder

I seriously worry for the future unless more radical action is taken on this subject :

- banning of sales of petrol and diesel cars needs to be accelerated
- our cities need much more trees and greenery
- carbon capture as a technology needs to become much more common than it currently is
- more investment in renewables and promotion business of companies that sell renewables
- much more of investment in nuclear energy . Much more investment in the research of fusion technology too
I wonder who’ll pick up the bill to pay for it
 

Centralscrutinizer

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Nothing effective will be done on a global level for a long time if ever. Look at the UK as a microcosm of humanity, completely unable to plan or act for our own long term benefit.
 

Boroboyyo

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When it's too late. People don't tend to give a **** about things unless they are affecting them directly. You'll start to see change in about 20 years time I think. The fact that recycling is still done on a counsel to counsel level and each one recycles different things shows just how little a **** is given. Still Liz truss might be next prime minister which would make global warming much less likely, as she will probably plunge us into a nuclear winter.

Think it’s already starting to impact people to be fair . People will start to see it when food prices start going up long term from more land becoming unfarmable. Fresh water will also be a big problem for some places too . I can also see water laws becoming increasingly more draconian in Europe these next few years too.

The consensus from experts now is this isn’t a human extinction issue anymore . It would have been if we did nothing (a 4-6 degrees Celsius rise is considered a threat to civilisation) but it’s a case now of how **** we want to make this planet for ourselves and future generations. We are going to lose a **** tonne of species on this planet though with a 3 degree Celsius increase . If we lose them, then our lives are going to be impacted in ways we can’t foresee yet .

I think the problem with some people is they think the planet is doomed anyway so we might as well just enjoy ourselves while we can . It really isn’t, and that’s the attitude the fossil fuel companies want people to have. A feeling of helplessness. The further below that 2 degrees Celsius we can get it, the better the outcome is. It is certainly achievable , but it needs humans working together , and it sadly seems some parts of the planet don’t want to work together

Renewables are getting cheaper with time and we have carbon capture technology now. We need to keep pushing towards fusion technology. It’s no longer the case that your economy is tied to your carbon footprint . Countries in Europe these last few years have grown their economies while simultaneously decreasing their carbon footprint
 

Funky_Chicken

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Like píssing in the wind when China are building coal fired power stations willy nilly everywhere over there - the time to do something was fifty years ago when it might have made a difference. They’ve been banging on about global warming since the early seventies at least - it’s bit like closing the stable door when the horse has already wandered off down the road now
 

Nano

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There are a few major problems with governance here but also worldwide that cause huge issues. The biggest one is short-termism. Governments are given 4/5 years and the quest for re-election starts about halfway through that term. The majority of time politicians are only fighting for their job. Not me, you, society and the planet. Then on top of that, profit is king. Everything is about economy, growth, shareholders.

In the UK the other major issue is that even if we could change everything to the point where we had no negative impact on the planet it wouldn't make a jot of difference because we are 0.16% of the world's land area and only 0.87% of the population. We can certainly lead the way but we can't actually make a difference. You can even argue that by leading the way we are disadvantaging ourselves if nobody else is doing it and I'd imagine that is what politicians think. Leave it until it is somebody else's problem in the future.

It's quite easy for a country like us to say to less developed countries that they have to stop what they are doing and stay where they are developmentally because they are using too many resources and causing damage. We can't get countries to stop invading each other never mind getting them to abandon their quest for growth.

Then after all of that the question still stands at "Is it even possible to prevent?". Are we too far gone that the ball is already rolling? If it is possible to prevent, can it be done quickly or would it take so long to slow down that we can't really change anything anyway? Also, is what we are seeing in terms of climate change fully caused by us or is it just making things a bit worse? If we weren't on the planet at all would be seeing mild winters and droughts anyway and we've just caused things to change a year or two sooner? Obviously, we're not seeing climate events that have never happened before, just things that haven't happened in our lifetime.

Countries in Europe these last few years have grown their economies while simultaneously decreasing their carbon footprint
Is this actually true? I would have thought is all that has happened is we have outsourced our carbon footprint. We let companies do whatever they want as long as they pay for it with carbon credits somewhere else. We fly and drive more than ever. We import more than ever. eh, we do a bit of recycling and we've stopped burning coal but have we really reduced our footprint or just creatively accounted it away?
 

Brian Marwood

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When you finally realise that the sun doesn't actually exist the solution comes from a different path.

We need to lay lots of foil across the surface of the earth to reflect the heat coming up from the core.
 

Redwurzel

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Just watched a BBC2 documentary on the oil/gas industry and climate change.

Releasing carbon is a an issue on global warming but they were saying just a big an issue is released methane. The Franking industry in the USA loses nearly 5% of its gas in leaks into the atmosphere. Methane warms up the Earth faster than carbon. Fracking had boomed in the last 25 years so methane into the atmosphere has increased. Fracked gas has been promoted a green solution (falsely) and in the USA the way to energy independence.

Carbon capture has been put forward as a green solution, but you are still producing carbon, better to not produce it in the first place.

I have joined the Woodland Trust they plant so many trees for you when you join. Its only a little thing but if 1 million people joined that could be 10 million more trees in the UK.

Its boring to say but keep using less where you can.
 
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afcb_acklam

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I'm afraid I gave up believing humans were able to deal with this problem years ago, its simply too big for us to deal with. I also predict a far faster, nastier end to it all than is commonly talked about. Based on absolutely nothing other than years of thought, worry, and being fairly tuned into the natural world. Enjoy each day, be kind & carry on with the madness.....
 

Pak_Doo_Ik

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When I was a kid we were told the greenhouse gases were leading to the erosion of the ozone layer and this would lead to global warming. From this the planet temperature would increase and sea levels would rise. This would mean that places look Hull would be flooded and would no longer exist.

Well unfortunately Hull still bl00dy exists so I decree it’s all nonsense🤭
 
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