Cineworld closing all its us, uk and Ireland cinemas

UKLL1981

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Streaming works because they show movies that you can’t see at the cinema as they’ve already had their run. The likes of Netflix are an alternative to dvd sales, they aren’t an alternative to the cinema where the big blockbusters cover their costs and makes lot of their profit. Imagine how much Netflix are going to be charging when the movie studios are needing to cover all their costs for blockbusters that cost hundreds of millions to make. It’s expensive for a family but I’m a shift worker, my girlfriend isn’t a huge fan of the cinema, we’ve been twice together the last year so on a cold wet weekday when she’s working other than the gym the cinema is a nice thing for me to do. It will be a treat for my son, I kind of expect to have to spend money on him anyway when he’s with me. Love my movies and always have, watching at home on tv doesn’t even compare to the cinema experience even though I’ve been thousands of times. Usually buy a coffee before and some time’s something to eat in a nearby cafe beforehand. The gym followed by the cinema has become the staple of my weekday rest days especially in the winter and whilst she’s working.
 

Michael_Vronsky

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It's really awful to see this but I have to say that last few times I went to the cinema I just couldn't concentrate on the film. People eating, slurping drinks, texting, phones ringing, up and down to the toilet, talking.

Nothing like seeing something on the big screen but with the above I just found I stopped going and streamed at home instead.
 

ticker_tape

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A good while since Ive been to flics, the wife sometimes buys the Grandkids family tickets for a treat. Huge big comfy chairs, but sounds like the manners have left the place?
 

1finny

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Everyman Cinemas seem to be hitting the mark
Lovely comfy seats -drinks and food delivered to your seat if you want.

Restuarant open for coffee, food, wines, cocktails to non cinema goers too.
One just opened near me - doing really well
 

TheFair86

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Streaming works because they show movies that you can’t see at the cinema as they’ve already had their run. The likes of Netflix are an alternative to dvd sales, they aren’t an alternative to the cinema where the big blockbusters cover their costs and makes lot of their profit. Imagine how much Netflix are going to be charging when the movie studios are needing to cover all their costs for blockbusters that cost hundreds of millions to make. It’s expensive for a family but I’m a shift worker, my girlfriend isn’t a huge fan of the cinema, we’ve been twice together the last year so on a cold wet weekday when she’s working other than the gym the cinema is a nice thing for me to do. It will be a treat for my son, I kind of expect to have to spend money on him anyway when he’s with me. Love my movies and always have, watching at home on tv doesn’t even compare to the cinema experience even though I’ve been thousands of times. Usually buy a coffee before and some time’s something to eat in a nearby cafe beforehand. The gym followed by the cinema has become the staple of my weekday rest days especially in the winter and whilst she’s working.

I doubt they would use Netflix for studio driven blockbusters because they’re then just paying distribution costs again and Netflix is more of a single payment platform. They would just set up their own payg platform and take the full profit, they wouldn’t need to sell as many to recoup costs because a large cut wouldn’t be going to many layers of middle men. Worst case there are existing platforms like iTunes, Google movies, prime rental etc

for many Netflix and Amazon prime, and services like iTunes, has long since already replaced going to the cinema. In the USA movie selection on these services is far better than it is here and far less time lag between cinematic release and streaming. There are already films being made just for these platforms also, which will continue. Netflix has 182m subscribers on their own. That’s more than individual cinema tickets annually sold in the last year, in fact you’d have to go back to 1970 to find a year where more than 182m cinema tickets were sold in the uk, except each of those subscribers are paying £7-10 a month or local equivalent on an ongoing basis all going to the same company and that’s just one single platform. Netflix has massive clout, as does amazon.

Cinemas already operate at a loss up front for each movie and it’s a while before it breaks even, with concessions helping them make money. With social distancing they’re just not going to be able to sustain that business model and how king will it be until people want to sit with a mask on for 2-3 hours or even feel comfortable going at all? The few people I i know that still go the cinema said it’s been great since reopening as they’ve had it to themselves, great for them I guess but not the cinemas.

tenet was their salvation, people went but nowhere near enough.
 

UKLL1981

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I doubt they would use Netflix for studio driven blockbusters because they’re then just paying distribution costs again and Netflix is more of a single payment platform. They would just set up their own payg platform and take the full profit, they wouldn’t need to sell as many to recoup costs because a large cut wouldn’t be going to many layers of middle men. Worst case there are existing platforms like iTunes, Google movies, prime rental etc

for many Netflix and Amazon prime, and services like iTunes, has long since already replaced going to the cinema. In the USA movie selection on these services is far better than it is here and far less time lag between cinematic release and streaming. There are already films being made just for these platforms also, which will continue. Netflix has 182m subscribers on their own. That’s more than individual cinema tickets annually sold in the last year, in fact you’d have to go back to 1970 to find a year where more than 182m cinema tickets were sold in the uk, except each of those subscribers are paying £7-10 a month or local equivalent on an ongoing basis all going to the same company and that’s just one single platform. Netflix has massive clout, as does amazon.

Cinemas already operate at a loss up front for each movie and it’s a while before it breaks even, with concessions helping them make money. With social distancing they’re just not going to be able to sustain that business model and how king will it be until people want to sit with a mask on for 2-3 hours or even feel comfortable going at all? The few people I i know that still go the cinema said it’s been great since reopening as they’ve had it to themselves, great for them I guess but not the cinemas.

tenet was their salvation, people went but nowhere near enough.

Perhaps but the money they get from any online streaming is on top of money they make from cinema screenings. Most big budget blockbusters have already covered those costs and made a profit before they even hit streaming services. Prior to the pandemic I could see pretty much any movie the day it was released for £20 a month so I certainly won’t be paying £20 per movie like Mulan or paying monthly subscriptions to multiple streaming services in the hope all the different film studios will put something I want to see in there. The different studios will never agree to one single platform or subscription service. If you’ve got basic internet skills you could find a HD copy of Mulan for free the day after it appeared on Disney+
 

pierrequiroule

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It's really awful to see this but I have to say that last few times I went to the cinema I just couldn't concentrate on the film. People eating, slurping drinks, texting, phones ringing, up and down to the toilet, talking.

Nothing like seeing something on the big screen but with the above I just found I stopped going and streamed at home instead.


It does my head in too, which is one of the reasons I've not been to a Multiplex for years (apart from the crap films). There are plenty of studios that don't allow eating in them, it's certainly the case in France.
 

TheFair86

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Perhaps but the money they get from any online streaming is on top of money they make from cinema screenings. Most big budget blockbusters have already covered those costs and made a profit before they even hit streaming services. Prior to the pandemic I could see pretty much any movie the day it was released for £20 a month so I certainly won’t be paying £20 per movie like Mulan or paying monthly subscriptions to multiple streaming services in the hope all the different film studios will put something I want to see in there. The different studios will never agree to one single platform or subscription service. If you’ve got basic internet skills you could find a HD copy of Mulan for free the day after it appeared on Disney+

again though that £20 a month is just you, so unless people go to the cinema alone it’s not really a fair comparison to a family movie like Mulan’s cost, and you’re contractually tied in for 12 months upon contact start. For a family of 4-5 people to get the same benefit that’s a big subscription cost and you need to go 3-4 times a month to make it worth while, which most unlimited card members probably won’t do hence why it’s profitable for them to run. And that’s assuming you want it at launch, it will be cheaper later on if you wait.

it’s £20 for the film but many people can watch it, no-ones buying expensive concessions and you aren’t surrounded by noisy strangers and sat in some of the filthiest seats I’ve ever seen. I’ve tweeted Cineworld several times about the absolute state of their seats, they are gross.
 

Michael_Vronsky

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It does my head in too, which is one of the reasons I've not been to a Multiplex for years (apart from the crap films). There are plenty of studios that don't allow eating in them, it's certainly the case in France.

I need to move to France! I was thinking it was just me!!
 

RandySavage

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Hopefully they keep some talent pool going so those that lose their jobs will be the first ones offered employment when it becomes viable again.

People say the future is streaming but it’s not, seeing Disney charge £20 on top of a Disney+ subscription to watch Mulan tells me it’s not when I pay £20 a month for unlimited cinema. Plus once a film is online you can usually find a free stream within days anyway so the industry will lose revenue. I still enjoy the cinema experience and want my boy to be able to enjoy that, spent more than enough time sitting at home this year.
I think the Mulan charge was Disney testing the waters. Not everybody pays for unlimited cinema tickets so £20 isn't really that bad for a brand new release when you consider it cost you twice nearly three times as much as that to watch at the cinema with a family of 4.

Personally I wouldn't have an issue paying £20 on top of my Disney+ subscription to watch Black Widow for example been a massive Marvel fan, plus I paid for a full year subscription before it launched when they had the deal on for £40 I think it was.
 

Fat_Dragon

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So will Showcase Cinemas be closing their cinemas in the coming days/weeks as Cineworld said that the industry is now "unviable"?
 

JustTheGent

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Going out to the cinema and streaming a film at home are completely different things and actually cater for different markets. Obviously there is some crossover but lots of people who go to the cinema rarely watch films at home and certainly don't have a gigantic screen in their house. This is especially true of those who go to independent and art house cinemas rather than a multiplex.

Over the last 5 years people have also been willing to pay higher prices at boutique style cinemas and no doubt this will have taken away some of the custom from places like Cineworld and Odeon. Visits to a cinema or theatre are generally treated as a night out which can involve going to a restaurant or pub. To stream at home as an alternative is like eating a takeaway at the kitchen table instead of going to a restaurant or having a few drinks on your sofa rather than going out to a pub. People like going to a venue where other members of the public will be and will pay a price to do so. Under normal circumstances of course. The same principles also apply for restaurants and pubs. Many people who regularly go to restaurants never get takeaways and same goes for visiting a pub or bar and not drinking alcohol at home.
 
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TeaCider

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I love a trip to the cinema, but I'm always put off by the cost, am I **** paying £20 to watch a film in my own home.

Hopefully cinemas aren't irreparably damaged as a business by the time the Regent is rebuilt.
 

Pog

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Sad news. Had unlimited cards for about 5 years but reluctantly we cancelled both of them last month.

We were already a bit frustrated with some of the screen times for recent movies but coronavirus then made our minds up.

You have to go twice a month to break even, and we just weren’t going to do that with no new releases. Going to the cinema to see a movie you could watch at home is too much effort when you have to organise babysitting for two kids.

Also masks are mandatory, we both wear glasses when watching tv. Masks and glasses don’t mix very well.
 

Zoophonic

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again though that £20 a month is just you, so unless people go to the cinema alone it’s not really a fair comparison to a family movie like Mulan’s cost, and you’re contractually tied in for 12 months upon contact start. For a family of 4-5 people to get the same benefit that’s a big subscription cost and you need to go 3-4 times a month to make it worth while, which most unlimited card members probably won’t do hence why it’s profitable for them to run. And that’s assuming you want it at launch, it will be cheaper later on if you wait.

it’s £20 for the film but many people can watch it, no-ones buying expensive concessions and you aren’t surrounded by noisy strangers and sat in some of the filthiest seats I’ve ever seen. I’ve tweeted Cineworld several times about the absolute state of their seats, they are gross.

There are alternative (and much better) cinematic experiences available of course. I always choose small and caring not the chains anyway.
 

InglebyUTB

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Sad news. Had unlimited cards for about 5 years but reluctantly we cancelled both of them last month.

We were already a bit frustrated with some of the screen times for recent movies but coronavirus then made our minds up.

You have to go twice a month to break even, and we just weren’t going to do that with no new releases. Going to the cinema to see a movie you could watch at home is too much effort when you have to organise babysitting for two kids.

Also masks are mandatory, we both wear glasses when watching tv. Masks and glasses don’t mix very well.

Do you need to wear masks when watching the movie?
 
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Corcaigh_the_Cat

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Are enough people using the cinemas?

We booked to see a film next week, we now can't make it so phoned up to cancel, we were the only people booked in.
 
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