Child Poverty in Middlesbrough

It's so sad. When I left school in 73 the place was booming. I read a study recently "The Myth of Workless Communities" which was carried out in Middlesbrough and Glasgow which debunked the idea that the country was full of people who don't want to work and families with three generations of unemployment. In the conclusion it stated that by the early 70's Teesside was the third most prosperous region in the UK after London and Aberdeen.

Conclusion 5.3.
https://www.socresonline.org.uk/19/3/1.html
 
Makes you wonder where all the Millions raised annually by Children in Need goes towards beside Celebs coining it in to take part et al the late Terry Wogan.
 
jam69 said:
Which polices of corbyns were you against? Do you think its turned out well ? .
Do you think abbot would have made a worse minister than grayling for example?
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He was all for leaving us unable to defend ourselves.
I might be wrong on Abbott, bearing in mind Coppers for 8 Grand a year. Do you really think she got where she did on merit, or because of Corbyn's soft spot for her ?
 
BoroGold said:
He was all for leaving us unable to defend ourselves.
I might be wrong on Abbott, bearing in mind Coppers for 8 Grand a year. Do you really think she got where she did on merit, or because of Corbyn's soft spot for her ?
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Whereas Johnson has gratefully received millions from the regime who are perhaps our most serious adversary and who have used deadly poison on our streets. Still, it takes all sorts...
 
Interesting that a survey (edit report) had Teesside the third most prosperous region in the UK.

But sorry I don't believe that is true, I accept the region may have been better off than now, but there was alot of poverty about in 1973 on Teesside. It was a very working class place and a lot of jobs were lost when the old iron and steel furnaces were closed in the Ironmasters district and at Cargo Fleet. Unemployment was higher than the national average. Young people were still leaving the area especially for professional jobs.

To me there is a relative poverty of opportunity on Teesside and now 40 years of economic decline, it can grind people down into long term depression and despondency and self doubt and encourage people to shelter to some extent on welfare support. Some rise above it and others struggle to and can get beaten down and possibly fall to vices. Positive role models are limited. Its generally a tougher life that many other areas of the UK. I saw relatives spend long periods in unemployment in the 1980s, but in middle age actually find long term permanent employment. One of their children is now an established Maths teacher, another a supervisor at Barclaycard, but the children were brought up in over 15 years of poverty, despite having clever and hard working and decent parents. This would have been totally different if they had lived in say Surrey.

I thought the Mighty Redcar TV programme was a fair summary of life for younger people on Teesside. There is talent there, but it struggles for opportunities, facilities and positive feedback. Those Benefit Street programmes were awful and so negative and helped fuel cuts in benefits. Cuts in education and welfare for young working class people over the last 10 years stifle opportunity, by restricting quality training and such simple things as a safe roof over your head.
 
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Michael_Vronsky said:
Defend ourselves from those horrible migrants isn't it? You know, that's why they voted for Brexit. Damn sure it wasn't about economics.
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I voted for both economic and political reasons.

I have never understood the concept of racism.

But you keep yourself happy and blend 52% of an electorate as you see fit.
 
Redwurzel said:
Interesting that a survey had Teesside the third most prosperous region in the UK.

But sorry I don't believe that is true, I accept the region may have been better off than now, but there was alot of poverty about in 1973 on Teesside. It was a very working class place and a lot of jobs were lost when the old iron and steel furnaces were closed in the Ironmasters district and at Cargo Fleet. Unemployment was higher than the national average. Young people were still leaving the area especially for professional jobs.

To me there is a relative poverty of opportunity on Teesside and now 40 years of economic decline, it can grind people down into long term depression and despondency and self doubt and encourage people to shelter to some extent on welfare support. Some rise above it and others struggle to and can get beaten down and possibly fall to vices. Positive role models are limited. Its generally a tougher life that many other areas of the UK. I saw relatives spend long periods in unemployment in the 1980s, but in middle age actually find long term permanent employment. One of their children is now an established Maths teacher, another a supervisor at Barclaycard, but they were brought up in over 15 years of poverty, despite having clever and hard working and decent parents. This would have been totally different if they had lived in say Surrey.

I thought the Mighty Redcar TV programme was a fair summary of life for younger people on Teesside. There is talent there, but it struggles for opportunities, facilities and positive feedback. Those Benefit Street programmes were awful and so negative and helped fuel cuts in benefits. Cuts in education and welfare for young working class people over the last 10 years stifle opportunity, by restricting quality training and such simple things as a safe roof over your head.
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Not a survey.
 
Redwurzel said:
Interesting that a survey had Teesside the third most prosperous region in the UK.

But sorry I don't believe that is true, I accept the region may have been better off than now, but there was alot of poverty about in 1973 on Teesside. It was a very working class place and a lot of jobs were lost when the old iron and steel furnaces were closed in the Ironmasters district and at Cargo Fleet. Unemployment was higher than the national average. Young people were still leaving the area especially for professional jobs.

To me there is a relative poverty of opportunity on Teesside and now 40 years of economic decline, it can grind people down into long term depression and despondency and self doubt and encourage people to shelter to some extent on welfare support. Some rise above it and others struggle to and can get beaten down and possibly fall to vices. Positive role models are limited. Its generally a tougher life that many other areas of the UK. I saw relatives spend long periods in unemployment in the 1980s, but in middle age actually find long term permanent employment. One of their children is now an established Maths teacher, another a supervisor at Barclaycard, but they were brought up in over 15 years of poverty, despite having clever and hard working and decent parents. This would have been totally different if they had lived in say Surrey.

I thought the Mighty Redcar TV programme was a fair summary of life for younger people on Teesside. There is talent there, but it struggles for opportunities, facilities and positive feedback. Those Benefit Street programmes were awful and so negative and helped fuel cuts in benefits. Cuts in education and welfare for young working class people over the last 10 years stifle opportunity, by restricting quality training and such simple things as a safe roof over your head.
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"Economic change in the Middlesbrough and Stockton area over the last 5 decades, can be divided in four distinct episodes (see Figure 4). In the first episode from the late 1960s until the mid-1970s, the area experienced a boom period, fueled by new investment in heavy industry and in supporting infrastructure. In the next episode from 1976 until about 1984, this turned into a severe crisis, as heavy industry and other manufacturing went through a period of closures and large-scale restructuring operations. In episode 3 – from 1984 until 2007 the situation stabilized ... "

I guess everyone is right really. Anecdotally (I left school in 1974 and lived in Thorntree until then), there was a tipping point in the mid 70s. My dad was made redundant at Cargo Fleet in 72, then taken on again at Lackenby in 73. This memory also looks consistent with this report. Very close to this, things were starting to go into decline. Especially Thorntree!

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...Vaw2VLzPw7kuTpFiUDLiRZI7K&cshid=1602749957189
 
The OP was about primarily about poverty in Middlesbrough.

In 1973 there was more work about, but there was still alot of poverty in Middlesbrough. My guess is that there is more now, but not a lot more. The biggest difference may be the estates between 1973 and now maybe the areas out of the town where poverty was limited in 1973 and now becoming fairly common to claim some form of benefit. Chris Kamara lived in Park End and left in 1973 or 1974 to join the Royal Navy, because lack of opportunities and racism. I would guess the racism continued in the RN, but he saw future opportunities away from the area.
 
BoroGold said:
He was all for leaving us unable to defend ourselves.
I might be wrong on Abbott, bearing in mind Coppers for 8 Grand a year. Do you really think she got where she did on merit, or because of Corbyn's soft spot for her ?
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Boro Gold- you talk some sh1te when the Tories have left us with the smallest army since Napoleonic times, aircraft carriers with no planes because they cancelled the orders. Now there is talk of disbanding the Paras and the Armoured Corp. As for the police, it was the Tories who got rid of over 22,000 police men and women. We are so short of police that people have given up reporting crimes and the government have had to recruit "Corvid Marshalls"- people with no training and no powers on national wage.
You have Tory ministers not knowing that Dover is an important port for the EU, talking about non existent dates, blatantly lying to the public, breaking the law. And you slag Abbott off because she mispoke about police salaries.
I think BG- you speak a load of b*llocks
 
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