Charity Giving Adverts at Christmas

The_Lizards_Jumpers said:
But most people wouldn't take the £8k out of the donations, so the charity is still £10k better off in your example.
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That might be true and if it is it's still £18k spent and only £10k has gone to charity. It's a massively inefficient way of giving to charity. Charities on average have 70% of their income being spent on charitable activities so £8k definitely not being spent on charitable activities just reduces that efficiency to 39%. You can raise money for charity without spending £8k first.

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atypical_boro said:
Also, even £2k is more than I normally raise for charity when I go on holiday.
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It would be far more cost effective to raise money for a week in Benidorm than to climb Kili.
 
Nano said:
It would be far more cost effective to raise money for a week in Benidorm than to climb Kili.
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True but its an easier sell isn't it - I'm climbing a mountain, or I'm getting drunk and having sex with people from Doncaster for a week? What are you more likely to sponsor?

But I agree with TLJ, most people probably wouldn't make the trip 100% free for themselves.
 
Nano said:
That might be true and if it is it's still £18k spent and only £10k has gone to charity. It's a massively inefficient way of giving to charity. Charities on average have 70% of their income being spent on charitable activities so £8k definitely not being spent on charitable activities just reduces that efficiency to 39%. You can raise money for charity without spending £8k first.

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This first link on Google suggests "You can of course pay for the challenge yourself, but most people fundraise to cover their costs and raise money for a good cause."


It would be far more cost effective to raise money for a week in Benidorm than to climb Kili.
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I know a few people who have done stuff like this (including myself) and have always covered expenses out of pocket, seeing it as a great way to tick off something that you've wanted to do, whilst raising money for a good cause.

Even in your first example, it may be inefficient but ultimately it's how charities raise money.
 
Malaguena said:
If the Chief Exec increases the income to the Charity by more than his salary, and continues to do so, does it actually matter what he's paid ? - despite the cynical "fat cat" comment, most Execs are paid what they are because they're improving a business' performance
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Yes, because much of the work is done by volunteers who the charity will tell you they can't afford to pay.
 
Alan_Breck said:
There are many great causes and charity giving is something I do regularly, mainly associated with the homeless, Crises at Christmas, Centre Point, Salvation Army et al. There are lots of different charities asking for donations on TV all through the year but I think there are even more in this run-up to Christmas. When giving we assume that all our donations go to the needy but if you investigate the charities employees and their salaries, this can't be so. Some large charity CEOs are are on £300k pa, then there are other officers on the payroll and admin staff which are obviously a requirement. It would be interesting to know how much of my £ giving finds it's way into the needy community.

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Aet290204 said:
That is so wide of the mark.
People volunteer for many different reasons but you can never replace staff with volunteers.

Am not going to comment any more on this thread because the ignorance being displayed will just wind me up.
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I was responding to the op about some CEs earning what I see as astronomical salaries, which for me is unacceptable in organisations employing volunteers. I am not arguing that charities should not employ people and pay them, its the scale of the wages of some I'm objecting to.
I fully understand people volunteering for different reasons. I run a charity on a purely voluntary basis.
 
RedAsABeetroot said:
I was responding to the op about some CEs earning what I see as astronomical salaries, which for me is unacceptable in organisations employing volunteers. I am not arguing that charities should not employ people and pay them, its the scale of the wages of some I'm objecting to.
I fully understand people volunteering for different reasons. I run a charity on a purely voluntary basis.
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Most people who work for charities are paid salaries for considerably less than they could earn in the real world. Myself included. I have no idea why people get so fixated over CEO salaries. Our CEO is genuinely committed to the cause, runs an organisation that employs over 2000 employees and gets paid considerably less than she would if she was in charge of comparably sized company.
 
Norbert_Colon said:
that employs over 2000 employees
So is it a business or a charity? when does one become the other.
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With respect that is a really Stupid question.

Of course a charity can have over 2000 employees.

It is the charitable aims of the organisation that make it a charity which are then subject to scrutiny by the Charity Commission.

The size is irrelevant. You can have large or small charities.

Sheesh.
 
People always go on about charity ceo salaries but the fact is pay peanuts get monkeys

Some of these charities are massive, you can't get a CEO in on 35k a year, it's not feasible. They'll crash and burn. Maybe a tiny 3 person charity you could do it voluntarily. CEOs getting 300k in charity sector could probably get a lot more in private sector, and will be responsible for growing the charities activities - to do that you need experience at scale, contacts and the right team around you.

It's very different from volunteering your time to sell vintage records in the shop or to shake tins or stack shelves at the food bank, which are all great uses of people's time but at the end of the day paying those people would mean they would have zero funds to distribute. Paying a successful exec would usually grow the organisation and help them reach more people, Increase donations and do more of what it is they do.
 
Aet290204 said:
Most people who work for charities are paid salaries for considerably less than they could earn in the real world. Myself included. I have no idea why people get so fixated over CEO salaries. Our CEO is genuinely committed to the cause, runs an organisation that employs over 2000 employees and gets paid considerably less than she would if she was in charge of comparably sized company.
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I agree. I also work for a charity in a national role Our CEO also gets the cause & has genuinely influenced change in our field of work. Also volunteers are employed in so many different roles & for many different reasons.
 
ThatFragranceGuy said:
People always go on about charity ceo salaries but the fact is pay peanuts get monkeys

Some of these charities are massive, you can't get a CEO in on 35k a year, it's not feasible. They'll crash and burn. Maybe a tiny 3 person charity you could do it voluntarily. CEOs getting 300k in charity sector could probably get a lot more in private sector, and will be responsible for growing the charities activities - to do that you need experience at scale, contacts and the right team around you.

It's very different from volunteering your time to sell vintage records in the shop or to shake tins or stack shelves at the food bank, which are all great uses of people's time but at the end of the day paying those people would mean they would have zero funds to distribute. Paying a successful exec would usually grow the organisation and help them reach more people, Increase donations and do more of what it is they do.
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Exactly this
 
ThatFragranceGuy said:
People always go on about charity ceo salaries but the fact is pay peanuts get monkeys

Some of these charities are massive, you can't get a CEO in on 35k a year, it's not feasible. They'll crash and burn. Maybe a tiny 3 person charity you could do it voluntarily. CEOs getting 300k in charity sector could probably get a lot more in private sector, and will be responsible for growing the charities activities - to do that you need experience at scale, contacts and the right team around you.

It's very different from volunteering your time to sell vintage records in the shop or to shake tins or stack shelves at the food bank, which are all great uses of people's time but at the end of the day paying those people would mean they would have zero funds to distribute. Paying a successful exec would usually grow the organisation and help them reach more people, Increase donations and do more of what it is they do.
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Habibi said:
I agree. I also work for a charity in a national role Our CEO also gets the cause & has genuinely influenced change in our field of work. Also volunteers are employed in so many different roles & for many different reasons.
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The only two sensible posts on this thread.

I would suggest anyone who wants to comment about how your money is used should come work for a charity. And see what rules there are about irrecoverable Vat, restricted and unrestricted donations. And what sort of things have to be reported like employee salaries expenses and the like.

Honestly, this thread has made me fuming.
 
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Norbert_Colon said:
that employs over 2000 employees
So is it a business or a charity? when does one become the other.
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A business has the profits go to the owner or shareholders

A charity spends its money on its primary activities and is regulated and audited by the charities committee, as well as trustees who are not paid and have legal responsibilities to ensure the charity uses its funds as intended etc - e.g in the Tom Moore charity case. Money comes from donations, fundraising and often trust funds / inheritances which are invested and that money is used to fund activities. There is. Ever any true profit, just more for reserves which means the board and trustees should, responsibly, expand activities and scope without overextending themselves

Most large charities will have many employees. Volunteers are nice but only go so far and can't be 100% relied on for key roles and consistent of skills and abilities

Even when i used to volunteer at Teesside hospice shop in boro the staff were volunteers but the manager was paid, because you need someone with the right skills at the top, organising volunteers and being responsible for takings etc. volunteers would give their time and it was all well and good but people would just stop turning up if life got in the way, you're not obligated to "resign" like with a job.
 
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