Carragher ranting on players going down with a fake head injury

Acklam_Lad said:
As said above a 3 min concussion protocol solves the issue… the player doesn’t get a choice in the matter … the ref just sends them to the sidelines… then you solve the issue of playing an injury down to stay on.

Keepers would be different… keep it the same protocol but you can have a ‘concussion sub’ if the manager wants to change them back then ok.
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This is a completely unnecessary additional rule to "solve" a problem that can be fixed by enforcing existing rules. We already have VAR, we already have video evidence, so any obvious fake head injury should be dealt with retrospectively.

It's madness that people keep inventing new ways to deter cheating instead of just enforcing the existing anti cheating rules.

It would be so simple to stamp out cheating altogether by just retrospectively handing out severe bans for cheating. It would be gone instantly.
 
Acklam_Lad said:
As said above a 3 min concussion protocol solves the issue… the player doesn’t get a choice in the matter … the ref just sends them to the sidelines… then you solve the issue of playing an injury down to stay on.

Keepers would be different… keep it the same protocol but you can have a ‘concussion sub’ if the manager wants to change them back then ok.
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That would be a punishment for teams with genuine head injuries though. It could also lead to concussed players trying to play on with no treatment.
 
The player today did get an elbow to the face - just nowhere near enough for the theatrics.

But that would be impossible to prove - innocuous contact can cause a significant head injury. I've shouted at an opposition player to get up on many an occasion only to then notice blood.

I think the answer is one of two things - physio can come on if it is a head injury as play continues. If they interfere with play accidentally -> drop ball.

Or... any head injury - 5 minute concussion assessment - with a temp substitute. Could be gamed like it has been in rugby (team caught using a blood capsule to get a set piece specialist on as a blood replacement) - but good option overall.
 
TeaCider said:
Didn't see the incident, but could that not have been him just following correct current guidelines?

From this season, the referee is expected to wait at least 30 seconds from play restarting to allow a player back on after treatment for an injury.

Happened in our game twice yesterday, whilst some of our ignorant fans hurled abuse at the referee for correctly following the guidelines.
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However, the ref got the guidelines wrong when it happened to Latte Lath. You don't need to leave the field if treatment is required resulting from foul play that results a caution.
 
MickaelDebevePhenomenal said:
However, the ref got the guidelines wrong when it happened to Latte Lath. You don't need to leave the field if treatment is required resulting from foul play that results a caution.
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"if the assessment/treatment is completed quickly."

That's a subjective decision, and you can still be required to leave the field if the referee judges it to have not been quick.

I can't remember the full details of Latte
Lath's injury now, and I'd have to wait till next month when the club finally upload the full 90.
 
BobUpnDown said:
No easy answer players playing the system..

Let physios on in game & stop only if - injured team - regain possession.. outfield play would be ok but if defender went down in own box it's a bit stuffed ( & this is where it mainly happens)

Problem is when it's a genuine head injury, though rolling around tends to indicate not that serious..
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Medics coming on the pitch during football doesn't really work I don't think. It works in Rugby because the game is a lot slower. Football too fast paced and they would end up interfering with play too often.
 
B_G said:
Medics coming on the pitch during football doesn't really work I don't think. It works in Rugby because the game is a lot slower. Football too fast paced and they would end up interfering with play too often.
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Not only that, players will use it for sh!thousery when they're a man down, or under pressure. They'd just boot the ball over to where the physio and injured player is to get a stoppage in play and a drop ball. Rinse and repeat.

Players know no bounds where sh!thousery is concerned.

I honestly think the only way is for the ref to stop the game and order players off the pitch for a mandatory 3 minute concussion assessment if they go down clutching their head.
 
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GazBoro said:
Not only that, players will use it for sh!thousery when they're a man down, or under pressure. They'd just boot the ball over to where the physio and injured player is to get a stoppage in play and a drop ball. Rinse and repeat.

Players know no bounds where sh!thousery is concerned.

I honestly think the only way is for the ref to stop the game and order players off the pitch for a mandatory 3 minute concussion assessment if they go down clutching their head.
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I would be happy with that but I suppose the issue will be when a player gets genuinely smashed by someone and has to go off for the assessment and they concede because they are a man down. Unless you mean to bring on a temporary subsitution like they do in Rugby/NFL
 
SilentProf said:
That would be a punishment for teams with genuine head injuries though. It could also lead to concussed players trying to play on with no treatment.
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I think a genuinely injured player having to go off for a mandatory concussion assessment and putting his team a man down for 3 mins is the lesser of the two evils. Plus more importantly its putting his safety first.

As for players trying to play on after a head injury, that would only happen once the physio's 3 minute assessment gives them the ok. I also don't think players getting a bang on the head and then immediately pretending it never happened simply to avoid being sent for treatment won't happen tbh. Its instinct to grab your injury when you've been genuinely whacked in the face or head and are in pain. You can't hide it if its a genuine whack.
 
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1finny said:
Didn’t see it
but
if it was ‘obvious’ cheating then VAR reviews it and the player is sent off

That will sort it
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Not sure how a wannabe ref sat in a room near Heathrow can be trusted to make a decision on whether someone's head injury is "obviously" not genuine. It's a non-starter
 
GazBoro said:
I think a genuinely injured player having to go off for a mandatory concussion assessment and putting his team a man down for 3 mins is the lesser of the two evils. Plus more importantly its putting his safety first.

As for players trying to play on after a head injury, that would only happen once the physio's 3 minute assessment gives them the ok. I also don't think players getting a bang on the head and then immediately pretending it never happened simply to avoid being sent for treatment won't happen tbh. Its instinct to grab your injury when you've been genuinely whacked in the face or head and are in pain. You can't hide it if its a genuine whack.
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Players would absolutely try to hide an injury if their team was chasing a goal and it would put them down a man. Imagine if you had one or two players sent off already and your teammates were shouting to get up and get on with it. The ref can only order the assessment if he thinks it's serious enough but they don't see everything. The only way around it would be a rolling sub until you come back on but players could still use that situation to hold up the game and rest tired legs.
 
GazBoro said:
A mandatory 3 minutes off the pitch for "head" injuries would stop players taking the p!ss. The 30 second rule is no deterrent for players using it for sh!thousery.
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JackG said:
Serious head injuries are a commonplace feature of the game. They're not always obvious, however. We're belatedly beginning to pay attention to it. I doubt we'll allow heading in 20 years.
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I have never heard of a player fracturing his skull or similar.

What 'serious head injuries' are commonplace? Dementia is not caused by a clash of heads at 3.30 last saturday afternoon.
 
GibbosEmpire said:
Difference is in rugby it's a slower game, the game takes longer to go from one side of the pitch to the other, in football you can go from one side of the pitch to the other in seconds, physios are generally safer from the game in rugby
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They do it in hurling and Gaelic football which are as fast, or faster, than football.
 
Although an isolated clash of heads is unlikely to trigger dementia it can greatly increase a player's vulnerability to lasting damage if the player plays on. That's why other sports are introducing HIAs and return-to-play protocols. Here's Judith Gates on the topic of brain damage in football.
 
Soutra said:
I have never heard of a player fracturing his skull or similar.

What 'serious head injuries' are commonplace? Dementia is not caused by a clash of heads at 3.30 last saturday afternoon.
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Do you not remember Jimenez for Wolves? It wasn’t that long ago and he is nowhere near the level he was since he came back. Why do you think Petr Cech wore the head guard for the last 10+ years of his career?

Most head injuries aren’t that bad but there are regular head clashes which cause players to be out for a few games. Paddy McNair missed games this year due to concussion.
 
parmoboy said:
He's spot on, it really annoys me when players do this.

A Villa player just went down holding his head as West Ham were on the attack, meaning the ref had to stop the game. Was obvious there was nothing wrong with him.

I wish something could be done about this. Should make a rule to say if you go down holding your head and you don't get back up after so long then you have to be substituted. If it's a head injury players should be taken off as a precaution anyway.
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That would be good, then a mandatory 14 days without being able to play to ensure there’s no risk of long term complications.
Mind, the risk is people soldiering on.
 
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