Can somebody tell me why Stockton isn't in lock down ?

Similar to Redcar, also escaped more stringent measures.
At least Redcar has significantly less cases, even I can 'follow the science' on that.

But Stockton is worse than Middlesbrough and Hartlepool FFS :mad:

Middlesbrough 2,018 (up 48)
Stockton 2,147 (up 86)
Redcar and Cleveland 1,298 (up 29)
Hartlepool 1,294 (up 23)


If I was in charge (perhaps I should be) Stockton would be under the same restrictions as Middlesbrough and Hartlepool from midnight tonight !!!!
 

This is seriously nuts, and everyone seems fairly sedate about it!

Some snippets from the BBC:

- "Covid cases increase rapidly as next steps planned" - all part of the plan it seems (you can see the same around Europe). Effectively "We have to keep up this charade and so we will introduce measures at around the time cases are about to plateau and then claim the credit for 'defeating the virus'."
- " The Office for National Statistics (ONS) estimates 224,000 people in homes in England had the virus, up to 1 October. That is roughly double the figure reported for each of the last two weeks, and suggests hopes of a "levelling off" last week may have been a false dawn." - Including this for balance but haven't checked the source data, certainly an outlier of the other data.
- "The Covid Symptom Study app - which uses data from 4 million people and 12,000 swab tests - estimates 21,903 people are developing Covid symptoms every day across the UK. That is 1,000-a-day more than a week ago." - A reliable indicator. This is not a "rapid increase". It is also very region dependent. Yes, North and Midlands (in areas) genuinely increasing. The South? Nope. Why's that?

- "The number of people in the UK to have tested positive for coronavirus rose by 13,864 on Friday, the figure on the same date a month ago was 3,330."

That last snippet is the best of the lot. It is pretty pointless making news of day to day changes in cases but that is what the BBC has been doing so lets look at the difference between today and previous days and the associated headline.

When there was an issue with the reporting which lead to a (meaningless without context) large increase in cases the BBC will quite happily splash it all over the front page. When daily cases are at 13,864 you'll note that it is not a headline and they don't state it is not "a decrease by several thousand" on the previous day (which would also be meaningless), but they will just compare it with a date a month ago!!!!

It would be truly comical if it were not so serious. I'm lucky, my job is under no immediate threat, my family is safe and secure financially, for the most part. I feel sorry for those who have lost family, jobs, livelihoods, businesses. And for those who the worst is yet to come. Particularly those who will not necessarily understand the intricacies of the science. Science which, in my view, has been twisted. This whole shambles is an absolute stain on science and journalism.


In my area of work I look back at studies carried out 50, 100 years ago and think of the advances which have been made. What was absolutely cutting edge 50 years ago is taught in 1st year undergraduate studies these days. Look back at the 1918 Flu pandemics...... back then there wasn't an understanding of what a virus was. No understanding of the structure of RNA, DNA, that is just how it was it was, those advances hand't been made.

People will look back in 50, 100 years at the current carnage and say "Well, they didn't understand X,Y, or Z at the time so the response is understandable". I also think they will look back and say "Knowing what they did know at the time what the hell were they doing?!"
 

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It is a perfect examole of the Governments whole “on the hoof” policy.

Months ago they should have set up a tier system fully transparent and easy to understand which in effect creates a lock down situation on an area hitting a certain level of infections. This has been successfully done in other countries. It would have also helped give the locals a sense of responsibility.
 
IF around 250,000 tests are carried out each day and let's say 13,000 are positive I presume that means that 237,000 are negative. Or is that a too simplistic theory? I've wondered for a long time about the sensationalist way in which the statistics are reported by the media. Another stat that means little is "Deaths for any reason within 28 days after a positive test". So they might have died OF Covid or just WITH Covid and it might or might not have been a contributing factor. Seems to me that in some cases adding Covid to a list of causes on a Death certificate is just an easy solution when a patient has a list of conditions several of which might have been the root cause.
 
It's quite simple, Stockton have an MP that is a Tory, as does Redcar, where as Middlesbrough's MP is mostly Labour and Hartlepool is also Labour.

Move along, move along, nothing to see here. The simple reason is that there are more moles needing whacking in Middlesbrough and Hartlepool, that‘s all.
 
It's quite simple, Stockton have an MP that is a Tory, as does Redcar, where as Middlesbrough's MP is mostly Labour and Hartlepool is also Labour.
Not sure about that.
I think it's more to do with Middlesbrough and Hartlepool councils putting their head above the parapet, asking for a soft lockdown but getting more than they bargained for.

There's also a fair old chunk of the delightful Tory MP's MSEC constituency within the affected part of Middlesbrough.

Also Stockton north is Labour.
 
Simon Clarke played hell when he was told some of his constituency was going to be in lockdown, most of it is outside Middlesbrough, Stockton North MP Alex asked that Stockton was treat the same as it's neighbours in Hartlepool and Middlesbrough but ignored by the Tory Government.
 
Simon Clarke played hell when he was told some of his constituency was going to be in lockdown, most of it is outside Middlesbrough, Stockton North MP Alex asked that Stockton was treat the same as it's neighbours in Hartlepool and Middlesbrough but ignored by the Tory Government.
Are you sure?
Nothing on Alex's pages to suggest he wanted be treat the same as Hartlepool and Middlesbrough.

Where did Simon Clarke play hell?

I know you have far more political experience than I ever will, but I can't see anything to back up what you are saying.
 
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