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[BoroFur]

I can see Lewis being heavily booed at the Dutch GP which is a shame seeing how the Silverstone crowd greeted Max.

It'll be the same in Begium. I was at Spa a few years ago and there were tens of thousands of Dutch there.

 

[junos_boots]

Hamilton has had all of this crowd hate previously with the Spanish crowds when Alonso was his main rival and he managed that pretty well even though he was very young at the time. So I believe he will cope with the crowds at Spa and Zandvoort.

 

[SmallTown]

Hamilton has had all of this crowd hate previously with the Spanish crowds when Alonso was his main rival and he managed that pretty well even though he was very young at the time. So I believe he will cope with the crowds at Spa and Zandvoort.

I'm sure he'll be fine with it. There does seem to be a lack of respect for Lewis from most crowds though. It's sad. Especially, as you said, how well the British Crowd treats Max. Lewis always faces hostility from Austria to Monza to Sochi. After this incident and the irresponsible way Red Bull are trying to stoke up a war the crowds at Spa and Zandvoort will be pretty nasty.

That's if Spa get ahead. La Source up to Eau Rouge is currently underwater!

 

[WoodallServices]

First time I’ve watched a race all the way through and actually enjoyed it, never been a fan of F1 but today might have changed that.

With the rule changes next year it will be even better, drivers will be able to follow the car in front whilst only losing minimal downforce. It would have given that sprint race the excitement they hoped for.

 

[SmallTown]

With the rule changes next year it will be even better, drivers will be able to follow the car in front whilst only losing minimal downforce. It would have given that sprint race the excitement they hoped for.

That's the hope isn't it? Less reliance on wings for the aero and the re introduction of ground effect makes it more likely cars will be able to follow each other. At least on tracks where they don't overheat behind another car!

The stewards will have to change though. If they want to encourage competitive racing they need to allow it more. Russell, Hamilton, Norris and Perex have all had penalties in the last few races for doing nothing more than racing hard. This needs to be stamped out, along with Teams/Drivers whining about each other over the radio.

 

[sambaDTR]

Mad Max. Where have I heard that before?

 

[junos_boots]

I'm sure he'll be fine with it. There does seem to be a lack of respect for Lewis from most crowds though. It's sad. Especially, as you said, how well the British Crowd treats Max. Lewis always faces hostility from Austria to Monza to Sochi. After this incident and the irresponsible way Red Bull are trying to stoke up a war the crowds at Spa and Zandvoort will be pretty nasty.

That's if Spa get ahead. La Source up to Eau Rouge is currently underwater!

I saw the other day that the surrounding area was struggling, but it has now reached the actual circuit has it? Hope they get it sorted as the action up that hill could be immense as you can get into the slipstream here even in this years cars.

 

[WoodallServices]

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I don't see how tbh.
They were practically side by side before the braking zone & approaching the apex, Verstappen was almost a car length ahead.
So even if he'd gone wider he'd carried more speed into the corner & would've been on the power earlier, and IIRC it is a left hander next.

I'm a big Lewis fan but thought it was an incredibly risky manoeuvre with a high chance of contact, he got lucky but it could so easily have been them both in the barriers.

A split second earlier though they are virtually side by side then Lewis lifts off, unfortunately Max doesn’t stop closing the door.

 

[newusername]

The "You don't go down the inside at Copse" argument was pretty much disproven though, given he overtook both Norris ... at the same corner in the same race.

Lewis was past before they began to turn in, Norris practically gave him the full width of the track to make the move:

 

[Mendieta14]

Lewis was past before they began to turn in, Norris practically gave him the full width of the track to make the move:
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The Leclerc pass is a better example. Also a few years ago Bottas passed Hamilton in the exact same place.

 

[newusername]

The "You don't go down the inside at Copse" argument was pretty much disproven though, given he overtook ... LeClerc at the same corner in the same race.

With LeClerc, he was properly alongside in the corner rather than trailing behind Verstappen.



And then of course, LeClerc comes out ahead before running wide & over the kerbs.


So if going down the inside at Copse leads to outside car going off the track, it does seem to be a less than ideal place to overtake.

 

[SmallTown]

With LeClerc, he was properly alongside in the corner rather than trailing behind Verstappen.

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And then of course, LeClerc comes out ahead before running wide & over the kerbs.
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So if going down the inside at Copse leads to outside car going off the track, it does seem to be a less than ideal place to overtake.

LeClerc should have backed out more then. He also overtook Lando at the same place. What is the point of having a racetrack if you only have designated overtaking zones? Let them race os supposed to be the mantra. Clearly this is false

 

[newusername]

LeClerc should have backed out more then.

The stewards were fairly consistent over the weekend if you go down the inside & there is contact, you get penalised. So rather than lifting or taking the avoiding action he did which cost him, LeClerc should've let Hamilton hit him.

He also overtook Lando at the same place.

I've shown he didn't. He overtook Norris on the straight before the corner.

What is the point of having a racetrack if you only have designated overtaking zones? Let them race os supposed to be the mantra. Clearly this is false

Overtake where you want but it has to be safe. Forcing people off the track to complete a pass, especially on a 190mph corner, is too dangerous.

 

[ForssAwakens]

With LeClerc, he was properly alongside in the corner rather than trailing behind Verstappen.

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And then of course, LeClerc comes out ahead before running wide & over the kerbs.
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So if going down the inside at Copse leads to outside car going off the track, it does seem to be a less than ideal place to overtake.

Not sure where to start with all that. Using stills in the fastest corner in the championship to make a point seems silly. A few frames earlier or later you could probably make a whole different arguement based on the still

 

[ForssAwakens]

The stewards were fairly consistent over the weekend if you go down the inside & there is contact, you get penalised. So rather than lifting or taking the avoiding action he did which cost him, LeClerc should've let Hamilton hit him.

I've shown he didn't. He overtook Norris on the straight before the corner.

Overtake where you want but it has to be safe. Forcing people off the track to complete a pass, especially on a 190mph corner, is too dangerous.

Also leclerc made a mistake, he wasn’t forced off

 

[SmallTown]

The stewards were fairly consistent over the weekend if you go down the inside & there is contact, you get penalised. So rather than lifting or taking the avoiding action he did which cost him, LeClerc should've let Hamilton hit him.

I've shown he didn't. He overtook Norris on the straight before the corner.

Overtake where you want but it has to be safe. Forcing people off the track to complete a pass, especially on a 190mph corner, is too dangerous.

I totally disagree with you. A race track is a racetrack. You take any advantage you can and overtake where there is an opportunity. LeClerc was simply smarter than Max in he realised Lewis wasn't going to concede the corner once he'd got the iside line and backed out (just not enough). Lando was smarter than Max in that he could see Lewis down the inside so didn't even contest the corner. It was a racing incident on a race track. With the exception of the Melco hairpin at Macau you can try an overtake anywhere you see an opportunity. If you don't want Lewis to overtake you into Copse, then defend the inside and stop him getting his nose into the corner.

 

[SmallTown]

I totally disagree with you. A race track is a racetrack. You take any advantage you can and overtake where there is an opportunity. LeClerc was simply smarter than Max in he realised Lewis wasn't going to concede the corner once he'd got the iside line and backed out (just not enough). Lando was smarter than Max in that he could see Lewis down the inside so didn't even contest the corner. It was a racing incident on a race track. With the exception of the Melco hairpin at Macau you can try an overtake anywhere you see an opportunity. If you don't want Lewis to overtake you into Copse, then defend the inside and stop him getting his nose into the corner.

Actually max and the red bull media team have played a blinder here. Max left the track twice before this incident to hold position. This has all been forgotten about now.