Brexit - the positives

HundredRoom said:
The Labour party has proved that they do not represent the people that voted for them. In the election one before last.
Of course they had the worst result since 1932 last time.

Its a pity we don't have an effective opposition. The only opposition is on football message boards. Still every little helps
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65% of labour voters opposed brexit, you could argue they tried their best to represent the majority of those that voted for them ?
 
jam69 said:
65% of labour voters opposed brexit, you could argue they tried their best to represent the majority of those that voted for them ?
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If thats right why didn't the Labour party make that their policy ?

And why didn't the leader come out and say so ?

Its ok I know the answer
 
Tell you what, I voted to leave.
I really regret my decision.
I'm not a little Engländer, a tory, or a racist.
I'll admit was taken in by the NHS £350m claim. I was annoyed by the likes of Juncker and Verhofstadt giving us as a country, constant shıt.
I was fed up with us not being able to change some law that perhaps would affect the UK because someone like the Poles or Hungarians might say no (as they recently have). Maybe others like me thought the same.

We're not all political masterminds, not everyone is spammed up on how it works. We don't all see the big picture. For every person who knows the ins and outs there'll be many average Joe's who do not.
I made my decision and with hindsight it was the wrong decision. I'm not afraid to admit it.
 
Lemmy_kilmister said:
Tell you what, I voted to leave.
I really regret my decision.
I'm not a little Engländer, a tory, or a racist.
I'll admit was taken in by the NHS £350m claim. I was annoyed by the likes of Juncker and Verhofstadt giving us as a country, constant shıt.
I was fed up with us not being able to change some law that perhaps would affect the UK because someone like the Poles or Hungarians might say no (as they recently have). Maybe others like me thought the same.

We're not all political masterminds, not everyone is spammed up on how it works. We don't all see the big picture. For every person who knows the ins and outs there'll be many average Joe's who do not.
I made my decision and with hindsight it was the wrong decision. I'm not afraid to admit it.
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That is fair play and the reason why on another thread I am calling for both sides of the Brexit debate to end the goading, abusing, name calling of each other because I do genuinely think the majority of people are good, decent folk who care about their family, friends, colleagues and community. Most people do want to see better provision of public services, better healthcare, more support for those who have mental health issues, support for those who have worked hard but had their livelihoods taken away.

There are millions of Remainers who want this, and there are millions who voted Brexit want the same. We need to end this division and soon because if we don't we are headed straight back to Dickensian style society.
 
Lemmy_kilmister said:
Tell you what, I voted to leave.
I really regret my decision.
I'm not a little Engländer, a tory, or a racist.
I'll admit was taken in by the NHS £350m claim. I was annoyed by the likes of Juncker and Verhofstadt giving us as a country, constant shıt.
I was fed up with us not being able to change some law that perhaps would affect the UK because someone like the Poles or Hungarians might say no (as they recently have). Maybe others like me thought the same.

We're not all political masterminds, not everyone is spammed up on how it works. We don't all see the big picture. For every person who knows the ins and outs there'll be many average Joe's who do not.
I made my decision and with hindsight it was the wrong decision. I'm not afraid to admit it.
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Lemmy I said I wouldn't get involved with any political threads but thought otherwise after reading your honest post, but why should you feel like those points you've raised for voting as you did, I've never thought like that & the vast majority who voted to leave won't either
 
WeeGord said:
That is fair play and the reason why on another thread I am calling for both sides of the Brexit debate to end the goading, abusing, name calling of each other because I do genuinely think the majority of people are good, decent folk who care about their family, friends, colleagues and community. Most people do want to see better provision of public services, better healthcare, more support for those who have mental health issues, support for those who have worked hard but had their livelihoods taken away.

There are millions of Remainers who want this, and there are millions who voted Brexit want the same. We need to end this division and soon because if we don't we are headed straight back to Dickensian style society.
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The problem isn't with people who voted Brexit in the first place. They aren't causing the division. It's the people who STILL support it even though its failing us on so many levels. You can't reason or reconcile with them.

I'm not a fan of brexit. If it had shown to be a success I would have happily apologised for voting remain and admitting I was wrong. Is it stands, remain voters were in the right. It's that simple
 
Positive of Brexit
In aviation, Britain will have the ability to cut air passenger duty on the return leg of domestic flights, which is at present prevented by a European Commission ruling. Reducing the levy has long been a demand of airlines, which say it would mean cheaper flights.
 
Positive of Brexit

The UK has more power to shape its regulatory environment and cut taxes. It already has one of the lowest rates of company tax in Europe, but the country could go further. The government could also expand the “patent box”, which reduces taxes on profit from patented inventions to foster research & development. It was constrained by EU rules on state aid
 
It spannered the political careers of some absolute whoppers including the Invisible Ham David Cameron. Unfortunately, we're still left with the more brazen, shameless cartoon villains and absolute no-marks like Minister for Dog Dirt Issues Matt Vickers.
 
Nobby_Barnes said:
Positive of Brexit
In aviation, Britain will have the ability to cut air passenger duty on the return leg of domestic flights, which is at present prevented by a European Commission ruling. Reducing the levy has long been a demand of airlines, which say it would mean cheaper flights.
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Ability doesn't equate to an act of reducing. They might not reduce those costs, they will also have the ability put them up.

You have to take into account the damage to the pound against foreign currencies might make the outbound leg more expensive, and also, meeting our paris accord agreement will be difficult if we drop it and have more flights. Then you need to consider that we don't make planes or many parts in this country, so every maintenance component of every plane will have an import cost. So overall cost of flights might not be lower, it might go north.

Airline is a service industry and you need to understand the whole CX journey and what the value streams are, how value can be captured, what the external risk factors are. To simply say lower flights is simplistic and not accurate.
 
Lemmy_kilmister said:
Tell you what, I voted to leave.
I really regret my decision.
I'm not a little Engländer, a tory, or a racist.
I'll admit was taken in by the NHS £350m claim. I was annoyed by the likes of Juncker and Verhofstadt giving us as a country, constant shıt.
I was fed up with us not being able to change some law that perhaps would affect the UK because someone like the Poles or Hungarians might say no (as they recently have). Maybe others like me thought the same.

We're not all political masterminds, not everyone is spammed up on how it works. We don't all see the big picture. For every person who knows the ins and outs there'll be many average Joe's who do not.
I made my decision and with hindsight it was the wrong decision. I'm not afraid to admit it.
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Best post I’ve seen on here about Brexit, ever. Big respect 👍
 
Nobby_Barnes said:
Positive of Brexit

The UK has more power to shape its regulatory environment and cut taxes. It already has one of the lowest rates of company tax in Europe, but the country could go further. The government could also expand the “patent box”, which reduces taxes on profit from patented inventions to foster research & development. It was constrained by EU rules on state aid
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Could, doesn't mean it will.

One of the damaging factors of the race to the bottom of neo-capitalist culture is that public services have suffered. You might think oh aren't these new companies coming to the UK good, but the reality is that they will pay very little tax and that will harm our public services. On top of that, the race to the bottom will cause reciprocal reductions elsewhere and the EU muscle will outweigh ours meaning the net benefit will always be to the big corporations and you and I will see none of it. The companies best placed to take advantage from these kind of tax deals are the huge multinationals. The ones that invest in automation and pay manual workers pittance like Amazon. They also stifle competition, from home grown corporations.

Again just lowering taxes on corporations is simplistic, and in itself creates a lot of negative side effects that need to be weighed up.
 
WeeGord said:
That is fair play and the reason why on another thread I am calling for both sides of the Brexit debate to end the goading, abusing, name calling of each other because I do genuinely think the majority of people are good, decent folk who care about their family, friends, colleagues and community. Most people do want to see better provision of public services, better healthcare, more support for those who have mental health issues, support for those who have worked hard but had their livelihoods taken away.

There are millions of Remainers who want this, and there are millions who voted Brexit want the same. We need to end this division and soon because if we don't we are headed straight back to Dickensian style society.
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Anger and frustration shouldn’t be directed at those who have been manipulated. Instead, it should be aimed at those who did the manipulating.
 
BoroMart said:
Could, doesn't mean it will.

One of the damaging factors of the race to the bottom of neo-capitalist culture is that public services have suffered. You might think oh aren't these new companies coming to the UK good, but the reality is that they will pay very little tax and that will harm our public services. On top of that, the race to the bottom will cause reciprocal reductions elsewhere and the EU muscle will outweigh ours meaning the net benefit will always be to the big corporations and you and I will see none of it. The companies best placed to take advantage from these kind of tax deals are the huge multinationals. The ones that invest in automation and pay manual workers pittance like Amazon. They also stifle competition, from home grown corporations.

Again just lowering taxes on corporations is simplistic, and in itself creates a lot of negative side effects that need to be weighed up.
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+ any competitive advantage "Global Britain" conjures up with regard to international trade will be met with tariffs to equalise it.
 
Lemmy_kilmister said:
Tell you what, I voted to leave.
I really regret my decision.
I'm not a little Engländer, a tory, or a racist.
I'll admit was taken in by the NHS £350m claim. I was annoyed by the likes of Juncker and Verhofstadt giving us as a country, constant shıt.
I was fed up with us not being able to change some law that perhaps would affect the UK because someone like the Poles or Hungarians might say no (as they recently have). Maybe others like me thought the same.

We're not all political masterminds, not everyone is spammed up on how it works. We don't all see the big picture. For every person who knows the ins and outs there'll be many average Joe's who do not.
I made my decision and with hindsight it was the wrong decision. I'm not afraid to admit it.
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I was in favour of Brexit at the start mainly because of the mistrust of Big government in the Eu and all the beaurocratic nonsense. However it became clear to me in the run up that the risk/reward ratio was massively against voting for Brexit.. Where I differ with you is that once the result was done it has to accepted and delivered.
 
HundredRoom said:
The Labour party has proved that they do not represent the people that voted for them. In the election one before last.
Of course they had the worst result since 1932 last time.

Its a pity we don't have an effective opposition. The only opposition is on football message boards. Still every little helps
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I don’t think Bunter needs an opposition to expose his shortcomings, he’s a complete clown.

Anybody still backing him (and I know plenty are) is doing it for reasons other than competence.

My sister is rank Tory and all I get out of her is ‘eeeh, have you seen his hair?’

No wonder I get bad tempered on here sometimes....
 
Nobby_Barnes said:
Positive of Brexit

The UK has more power to shape its regulatory environment and cut taxes. It already has one of the lowest rates of company tax in Europe, but the country could go further. The government could also expand the “patent box”, which reduces taxes on profit from patented inventions to foster research & development. It was constrained by EU rules on state aid
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Do you mean corporation tax? Because they HAVEN'T reduced that. Regardless of whether they can.
 
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