Boro players won't be taking the knee against Millwall

I just hope Sky etc don't make a big deal about this. We've not taken the knee all season and we have a black captain who's explained why.

I imagine sky and the footballing world will he well and truly keeping an eye on Millwall. I can see them taking the knee and everyone going 'what are Boro doing?'.

It's just hassle we don't need. It will make me blast idiots on twitter if they start slating us😉
 
S7DiscoDown said:
I just hope Sky etc don't make a big deal about this. We've not taken the knee all season and we have a black captain who's explained why.

I imagine sky and the footballing world will he well and truly keeping an eye on Millwall. I can see them taking the knee and everyone going 'what are Boro doing?'.

It's just hassle we don't need. It will make me blast idiots on twitter if they start slating us😉
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It's all the 'Well done Middlesbrough' stuff on twitter for not taking the knee that creeps me out.

We are the same from "Falling Down" Movie - YouTube
 
Colin Warnek said:
I'll respect our black captain, raised in this country, veteran of hundreds of EFL games' opinion on the right action to take.
More qualified than most I would say.
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Britt was born in Africa, Zaire and his family had to flee and seek asylum here in Britain - He is adamant that he is taking the anti racism message into schools with a programme of zoom casts hosted by the Foundation between school kids and Boro team players. His own stance is not anti politics it is that actions speak louder than words and education is the way forward.
"There’s an important point to it, but I just feel now that there has to be action. It has to lead to something, as opposed to just being a trend. It can’t be a case of us just doing it for the sake of doing it. We want to see some action.
"I don’t want to be doing it for the rest of my career. I’ve probably got six or seven years left of my career – I don’t want to be taking a knee every time but then still be waiting for a change.

"I’ve got a little girl, and I don’t want her to be asking, ‘Daddy, why do you keep on taking a knee?’, and then when I explain to her, she asks, ‘Well, has there been any change?’, and I have to say, ‘Well, no, actually there’s not been any change’. We didn’t take the knee today, and that’s why - because we want to see change.”
Teesside Live/Gazette
 
Seeing as there will be no fans in the stadium tomorrow - we have highlighted the 90th anniversary of the first black professional football Arthur Wharton in fly me to the moon fanzine. Arthur made history playing for Darlington and now has a mural in Darlo as well as a statue at the National Football Centre, St George's Park. Shaun Campbell from the Arthur Wharton Foundation tells us why Arthur is still relevant and an inspiration today and why Black Lives Matter - but he also calls out the racists in Millwall and keyboard warrior racists in Middlesbrough.
We thought it very important to remember Arthur this weekend. Arthur Wharton's name will be written up in lights on Saturday across the BT Tower in London.
arthurwhartonfoundation.org
 

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newyddion said:
Black Lives Matter: Where does 'taking a knee' come from? - BBC News

American Football quarterback Colin Kaepernick sat on the bench during the US national anthem to protest against police brutality and racism in a pre-season game on 26 August 2016.

Kaepernick said at the time: "I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of colour."

He discussed his motivations with Nate Boyer, a military veteran and former National Football League (NFL) player, who advised him to kneel because he thought it was more "respectful".

Kaepernick switched from sitting to kneeling on one knee on 1 September 2016, generating national media attention.

After seeing the scenes at Millwall and West Ham i'd be very tempted to break rank. It's alright saying that MFC foundation do a lot of work behind the scenes and Millwall do this that or the other. It was clear to 99% of football fans that the booing was motivated by a racist sentiment. It shouldn't lay at the feet of black athletes to take a stand either, these are human rights issues and it's very much a white problem as is a black one. The banners and the badges mean naff all if no action is taken. Take the knee, show some solidarity.
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I really like this post Newy and it brings a little lump to the throat. No disrespect, but I don't think I agree with the last paragraph about boro players breaking rank. I agree, btw, with the rest of the last patragraph.
 
fmttmadmin said:
Britt was born in Africa, Zaire and his family had to flee and seek asylum here in Britain - He is adamant that he is taking the anti racism message into schools with a programme of zoom casts hosted by the Foundation between school kids and Boro team players. His own stance is not anti politics it is that actions speak louder than words and education is the way forward.
"There’s an important point to it, but I just feel now that there has to be action. It has to lead to something, as opposed to just being a trend. It can’t be a case of us just doing it for the sake of doing it. We want to see some action.
"I don’t want to be doing it for the rest of my career. I’ve probably got six or seven years left of my career – I don’t want to be taking a knee every time but then still be waiting for a change.

"I’ve got a little girl, and I don’t want her to be asking, ‘Daddy, why do you keep on taking a knee?’, and then when I explain to her, she asks, ‘Well, has there been any change?’, and I have to say, ‘Well, no, actually there’s not been any change’. We didn’t take the knee today, and that’s why - because we want to see change.”
Teesside Live/Gazette
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I watched the zoom you refer to and I have to say, I was a bit surprised with Britt. He came across really well with the children and spoke very eloquently about his experiences growing up. He came across like a rubbish supply teacher ineracting with kids, I liked it. His point about being able to answer his daughter about taking the knee was well made, and anyone who disagrees with this should probably watch it.
 
Uwefuchs said:
Neil Warnock has confirmed that the players are adamant that they won't be taking the knee against Millwall despite what happened last weekend. He said today:

“We’re all of the same opinion of what we’re trying to achieve, it’s just that our lads don’t think the knee is relevant and are not agreeable to the political side of that.”

Just wondered what everyone's thoughts were. I know some on here were adamant that 'the knee' is not political.
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I don’t believe this rubbish for one moment.
To suggest players are making their own minds up is just naive.
In any conversation where you have lots of people involved there are those who are dominant - manager, captain etc.
Over 20 people in a dressing room are ‘of the same opinion’. Behave.
Warnock mentions the word ‘political’.
I wonder where that came from? An ageing manager with strong political views himself perhaps.

Every person I have met who talks positively about taking the knee or BLM talks about ending racism and bigotry

Those against talk about politics
 
1finny said:
I don’t believe this rubbish for one moment.
To suggest players are making their own minds up is just naive.
In any conversation where you have lots of people involved there are those who are dominant - manager, captain etc.
Over 20 people in a dressing room are ‘of the same opinion’. Behave.
Warnock mentions the word ‘political’.
I wonder where that came from? An ageing manager with strong political views himself perhaps.

Every person I have met who talks positively about taking the knee or BLM talks about ending racism and bigotry

Those against talk about politics
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In the first line of your post Finny you manage to insult the majority of the players and the manager. The truth is we don't know what the players think and you can either accept the message from the club or assume they are lying. Just wonder why you would go straight to lying?
 
Uwefuchs said:
I couldn't really care less if they do it or not, I believe the club are working hard to do their own thing which is good enough for me. If I was in the ground I'd stand and respect any protest or cause but I'd also respect any club or individuals right to take whatever action they choose.

I found the political interpretation interesting, I'm not trying to antagonise anyone on here but it was put in very simple terms earlier in the week. The fact that players and managers are talking about it being a political symbol still suggests that people have different interpretations of the gesture.

If it is an apolitical gesture and based simply on anti-discrimimation then the football authorities have a job to do in educating everyone about the issue. Otherwise I can see last week's events being replicated.
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I don't care if teams don't take the knee, I don't understand why it should be an issue if teams don't rake the knee as if there's a hidden agenda against not doing so

I would rather people show respect in everyday life, to each other, than an instant doing something that people think should be done
 
I agree with E74 think what you do is more important than what you say or symbolise. In this respect I also agree with Britt.

One thing I will say is that the Boro, in my view, is not a racist or bigoted club on or off the pitch. There will always be one or two idiots but personally I’ve not detected it over the years.
 
Laughing said:
In the first line of your post Finny you manage to insult the majority of the players and the manager. The truth is we don't know what the players think and you can either accept the message from the club or assume they are lying. Just wonder why you would go straight to lying?
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I’m not insulting anyone - your interpretation.
I‘m not accusing players of lying either
I’ve said I don’t believe it and explained why.
The manager made the statement -not the players.

You believe it and that’s fine by me
 
1finny said:
I don’t believe this rubbish for one moment.
To suggest players are making their own minds up is just naive.
In any conversation where you have lots of people involved there are those who are dominant - manager, captain etc.
Over 20 people in a dressing room are ‘of the same opinion’. Behave.
Warnock mentions the word ‘political’.
I wonder where that came from? An ageing manager with strong political views himself perhaps.

Every person I have met who talks positively about taking the knee or BLM talks about ending racism and bigotry

Those against talk about politics
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So what is your response to Britt's view on this matter. It is quoted above.
 
Britt’s response is great for him.
I don’t believe he is doing the right thing for the long term but he has put his heart on his sleeve - fair play
 
1finny said:
I don’t believe this rubbish for one moment.
To suggest players are making their own minds up is just naive.
In any conversation where you have lots of people involved there are those who are dominant - manager, captain etc.
Over 20 people in a dressing room are ‘of the same opinion’. Behave.
Warnock mentions the word ‘political’.
I wonder where that came from? An ageing manager with strong political views himself perhaps.

Every person I have met who talks positively about taking the knee or BLM talks about ending racism and bigotry

Those against talk about politics
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Totally agree 1F
 
To suggest players are making their own minds up is just naive.

So is Britt being led or coerced by someone?

In any conversation where you have lots of people involved there are those who are dominant - manager, captain etc.

Is Britt the dominant one, forcing the others against their will?
 
billsykes said:
To suggest players are making their own minds up is just naive.

So is Britt being led or coerced by someone?

In any conversation where you have lots of people involved there are those who are dominant - manager, captain etc.

Is Britt the dominant one, forcing the others against their will?
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I’ve no idea whether Britt is leading or being coerced but I would take a guess he is happy with his stance.
As I am with mine.
And, I’ve not suggested people are being forced against their will.

I’d also hazard a guess that relatively few, if any of the players, mentioned the ‘politics’.
 
1finny said:
I’ve no idea whether Britt is leading or being coerced but I would take a guess he is happy with his stance.
As I am with mine.
And, I’ve not suggested people are being forced against their will.

I’d also hazard a guess that relatively few, if any of the players, mentioned the ‘politics’.
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You make a lot of assumptions on this topic.
 
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