Boro 2015/16 vs 2024 / 25

Dieng
Ayling
and Probably ELL are the only ones to get in the promo side.

One thing that jumps off the page (although i haven't fact checked it so could be wrong) is the amount off first team appearances the 15/16 side has compared to the current side.
 
I would like to see us bring someone in who can challenge Jones for the RW position. I know we have Forss but he is hardly a natural there, and also seems to be having injury problems. Is the new Dutch lad the natural challenger? Gilbert?

Still time to do it!
 
do you mean Diego Fabbrini?
Kike and Fabbrini took turns didn't they? both not really top 6 players but we played them.

I think posters on here are displaying a little selective memory about the 2015/16 - some of the away games were a real struggle - I saw us lose 2-0 at Reading and lose 1-0 at a poor Bristol City who also won, believe or not 1-0 at the Riverside - didn't we lose 2-0 at Charlton who were second bottom in the protest match. If the opposition scored first away from home in particular we really struggled. It helped swapping Ramirez and Rhodes for Fab and Kike, but that was a big mid season investment.
 
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Kike and Fabbrini took turns didn't they? both not really top 6 players but we played them.

I think posters on here are displaying a little selective memory about the 2015/16 - some of the away games were a real struggle - I saw us lose 1-0 at Reading and lose 1-0 at a poor Bristol City who also won believe or not 1-0 at the Riverside - didn't we lose 2-0 at Charlton who were second bottom in the protest match. If the opposition scored first away from home in particular we really struggled. It helped swapping Ramirez and Rhodes for Fab and Kike, but that was a big mid season investment.
That Charlton match was when Karanka had his toys-out-of-the-pram moment wasn't it?
Agnew was in charge for this game. Say no more.
 
Dimi

Nsue Ayala Gibson Friend

Clayton Leadbitter

Stuani Ramirez Adomah

Nugent

Expected starting lineup as things stand this season :

Dieng

Ayling RVDB Clarke Engel

Howson Hackney

Izzy Azaz McGree

Manu
Hmmm


.................Dieng
Ayling
....Ayala......Gibson.......Friend
Leadbitter...Hackney
Stuani.........Ramirez.......Adomah
.......................Manu
 
Lemmy - Correct. AK (who I liked) walked out the day before. Nothing has ever been said publicly. I think him and Steve Gibson were actually quite a like and it was a personality clash.

Possibly if we analyse relevant management teams, the 2024 management team is a bit stronger?
 
Sorry but that 2015/16 team dominates for me.

Defensively it was absolutely incredible. We conceded 31 goals all season, and only 8 at home...only 8 goals conceded at home in 23 games is absolutely incredible.

I'd only swap 2 players. Dimi for Dieng and Nugent/Rhodes for Latte-Lath

Dieng
Nsue Ayala Gibson Friend
Clayton Leadbitter
Stuani Ramirez Adomah
ELL
Totally agree with this statement, stronger defence, stronger midfield, and far superior LW AM RW. No comparison.
 
How many of the current crop would edge out

Schwarzer
Fleming
Kinder
Pearson
Festa
Mustoe
Gascoigne
Merson
Hignett
Branca
Beck

I cant even get Vickers, Emerson, Townsend, Maddison or Armstrong in that team

To think that side would have ended up in the playoffs had we not beat Oxford
 
How many of the current crop would edge out

Schwarzer
Fleming
Kinder
Pearson
Festa
Mustoe
Gascoigne
Merson
Hignett
Branca
Beck

I cant even get Emerson, Townsend, Maddison or Armstrong in that team

To think that side would have ended up in the playoffs had we not beat Oxford
Not many of the 15/16 side would get into that side, and how many of the promotion sides since the 80's would get into the 73/74 side?
 
Some disagreement on the Board on this one.

The current Boro team which was missing Hackney and McGree managed 25 points from the last 12 games which was actually a better points tally than the 2015/16 side on a points per game basis and over the last 12 games of the season (2015/16 - 22 points) . I am not saying its better than the 2015/16 team, but it could very closely compete with them. If anything the standard of the Championship has risen in the last 9 years as clubs in general have more money which reflects very well on a team that can average more than 2 points per game over 12 games.

One reason for the low number of goals conceded in 2015/16 was the keep ball football we played. Lots of side wards passing on the half way line and in our own half. This denied possession to the opposing teams. Teams like Bristol City let us do it all day long, but kept all their players behind the ball and in a tight shape, so we struggled to break them down.
 
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The 1998 team had massive investment for the Championship - we paid Merson nearly double what Arsenal were paying him. Gazza was probably on silly money too. We should have got more than 100 points with that team (I think we got 94). That team managed to lose 5-0 and 4-0 in the same week, I think, against QPR and Forest. Amazing.
 
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How many of the current crop would edge out

Schwarzer
Fleming
Kinder
Pearson
Festa
Mustoe
Gascoigne
Merson
Hignett
Branca
Beck

I cant even get Vickers, Emerson, Townsend, Maddison or Armstrong in that team

To think that side would have ended up in the playoffs had we not beat Oxford
DC

You left out Ricard, a decent South American International.

Merson and Gazza were current England Internationals in 1998.

I would put Merson's transfer fee paid by Boro at around £36m in todays football money.
 
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Last time we got promoted was 2015/2016 .. And we want promoting this season .. So how does todays squad compare? .. are we better / worse? Who would you play ..

Vs Brighton - last game of the season :

Dimi

Nsue Ayala Gibson Friend

Clayton Leadbitter

Stuani Ramirez Adomah

Nugent

Expected starting lineup as things stand this season :

Dieng

Ayling RVDB Clarke Engel

Howson Hackney

Izzy Azaz McGree

Manu

Pick your starting 11 from those 2 teams ..
GK: Dimi - Couldn't leave the big man out. Produced in the big games and was virtually ever present for two years in his late 30s. That catch against Brighton an atmospheric all-timer.





RB - Luke Ayling - Love "Ain't Nobody Like" Nsue, but Ayling to me is the best right back we have had as a club since his namesake Mr Young. Defensively solid, a leader on the pitch and off it too.





CBs: Ben Gibson and Daniel Ayala. Some defensive pairings etch their name into Boro folklore through grit and determination alone. Boam and Maddren. Mowbray and Pallister. Southgate and Ehiogu. Dani and Gibbo did so too, by being the backbone of our promotion triumph. Cannot displace either of them as a unit, top quality as our current options may be.





LB: George Friend - even now, the one player I can safely say I was blessed to see represent our club. Embodies everything "The Boro" should be.





CMs: Adam Clayton and Grant Leadbitter - Are Hackney and Howson probably better individual players, naturally. But as a midfield pairing, Clayts and Grant were the glue that held the mighty Aitor workmanlike style together. Clayton, an absolutely brilliant holding midfielder who could pass a ball incredibly well. Leadbitter, our captain, a scorer of great goals and often the starting point of most of our pivotal attacking moments in that period. Can't displace them.





RM: Cristhian Stuani - Some players are defined by what they do in the biggest games, rather than what they do across 46. Massimo Maccarone v Steaua. Joseph Job v Bolton. Ian Baird v Newcastle. Patrick Roberts v Reading. Stuani's goal on the last day of the season against Brighton meant more to this club than any league goal scored during last season. A big game player who packed a punch despite being played out of position for most of his time at Boro.





LM: Albert Adomah - An entertainer, and a consummate professional who deserved to grace at least one season of an illustrious career in the Premier League - it should have been us who gave him that opportunity.





CAM: Gaston Ramirez - Forget the deadline day transfer request. Forget the temper tantrum sending off against Bournemouth. Gaston Ramirez was pound for pound the catalyst for a second half of the season which ensured we didn't have to put up with playoff heartbreak once more. That silky difference-making playmaker is what Michael Carrick's current team is sorely missing.





ST: Emmanuel Latte Lath - This one pained me, as I genuinely loved Big Dave Nugent during his time at Boro. But the man we call ELL has displayed more attacking prowess in one season in a Boro shirt than virtually any forward not called Chuba or Paddy in our time in the Championship. A testament to our improvement in recruitment over the last three years that we were able to identify him before the big boys came sniffing.



Think a bit of perspective wouldn't go amiss here. This side, as things stand, hasn't yet realised its potential. I think it will do, and I believe this year will be the first promotion season we have enjoyed in ten years. But let's not be hasty and immediately rush to comparisons with the last great team we assembled - that side was dynamic and quality to watch when on song, and we should try to celebrate it for what it was.
 
The 1998 team had massive investment for the Championship - we paid Merson nearly double what Arsenal were paying him. Gazza was probably on silly money too. We should have got more than 100 points with that team (I think we got 94). That team managed to lose 5-0 and 4-0 in the same week, I think, against QPR and Forest. Amazing.
We also reached a League Cup final though, besting Liverpool over two legs and taking Chelsea to extra time at Wembley. The two hammerings where when we had no fit goalkeepers and had to bring Andy Dibble out of retirement. We played some absolutely fantastic football that season.
 
Last time we got promoted was 2015/2016 .. And we want promoting this season .. So how does todays squad compare? .. are we better / worse? Who would you play ..

Vs Brighton - last game of the season :

Dimi

Nsue Ayala Gibson Friend

Clayton Leadbitter

Stuani Ramirez Adomah

Nugent

Expected starting lineup as things stand this season :

Dieng

Ayling RVDB Clarke Engel

Howson Hackney

Izzy Azaz McGree

Manu

Pick your starting 11 from those 2 teams ..
Dieng

Nsue-RVB-Ayala-Friend

Howson-Leadbitter

Stuani-Ramirez-Adomah

Latte Lath
 
I don't think there is much between the teams. I think karanka had a season where everything fell just right for him. There were a lot of games we won by a single goal that could have gone the other way. Also, my god we were dull to watch.

On the basis football is meant to be entertaining i would take 2024 team.
 
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