Blair and Starmer

HolgateCorner said:
I think you are right it is always a factor that unpopular governments get replaced but it was a spectacular victory however you look at it, nobody mentions when the left wing vote splits do they?
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Yeah true alot of people on here voted green and lib gems .
 
HolgateCorner said:
The voting system is accepted by all he won a massive majority from an 80 seat deficit, even the right wing media were shocked.

He will win next time as well.
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Possibly, but 5 years is a long time.
Apparently 48% of the electorate couldn’t be bothered to vote and Starmer has virtually lost the pensioners already.
 
Lottowyn said:
Possibly, but 5 years is a long time.
Apparently 48% of the electorate couldn’t be bothered to vote and Starmer has virtually lost the pensioners already.
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I don’t think the Labour vote came from the pensioners but as you say 5 years is a long time, it seems like an eternity if the Tories win an election.
 
HolgateCorner said:
I don’t think the Labour vote came from the pensioners but as you say 5 years is a long time, it seems like an eternity if the Tories win an election.
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I lent Labour my vote this time to get rid of the Tories, because the Green party had no chance here. Unless they suddenly implement a few socialist policies, they will not get it next time.
 
NYboro said:
I lent Labour my vote this time to get rid of the Tories, because the Green party had no chance here. Unless they suddenly implement a few socialist policies, they will not get it next time.
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Yes.

Although depending on what happens with the tories and reform I think there's still a risk I may need to vote for them again even if they're a bit meh still.

A truly depressing thought.

Of course Labour can't continue to rely mainly on people voting against the right wing nut jobs. It's worked this time, but I doubt it'll work again.
 
NYboro said:
I lent Labour my vote this time to get rid of the Tories, because the Green party had no chance here. Unless they suddenly implement a few socialist policies, they will not get it next time.
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If you would rather have voted Green then you are not really Labour anyway, it’s entirely up to you how you cast your vote. In my view even if you think the Greens had no chance you should still have voted for them.
 
Granville Bennett said:
Not really sure what point you are trying to make Granville. Different times different issues.

Not making a point. Just thinking aloud.

Major had got the national debt down from £19 billion to £1 billion and had done a lot of the groundwork for peace in Northern Ireland. Could argue he was the Maddren/Mowbray to Blair’s Rioch/Karanka.

Starmer has inherited a ***show.
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You’re saying starmer is taking over from strachan
 
HolgateCorner said:
If you would rather have voted Green then you are not really Labour anyway, it’s entirely up to you how you cast your vote. In my view even if you think the Greens had no chance you should still have voted for them.
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I’m in the same boat. I would have voted green in a pr system. Not in Redcar though, tight contest and I’d rather vote to get Jacob young out than stick to voting for what i want

Life is about compromise
 
ForssAwakens said:
I’m in the same boat. I would have voted green in a pr system. Not in Redcar though, tight contest and I’d rather vote to get Jacob young out than stick to voting for what i want

Life is about compromise
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PR will come I think but the Bank of England will need convincing that unstable government will not lead to lack of confidence in the financial markets otherwise nobody will want to be the PM who emulated Liz Truss.

Those who voted tactically to get the Tories out probably saved the NHS from becoming insurance based and for that alone you have done a great job.
 
HolgateCorner said:
If you would rather have voted Green then you are not really Labour anyway, it’s entirely up to you how you cast your vote. In my view even if you think the Greens had no chance you should still have voted for them.
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This misses the point of how political parties work. There is no such thing as being Labour. There are beliefs about the way a society should be governed socially and economically and if Labour are the party that best fit that then you vote for them. If Labour changes but your beliefs don't then you vote for the party that best fits your beliefs. It makes absolutely no sense to support a party if that party can then fundamentally change it's position.

Political parties aren't football teams who you support through the good times and the bad. They propose a way of governing and you either agree with them or you don't.
 
Nano said:
This misses the point of how political parties work. There is no such thing as being Labour. There are beliefs about the way a society should be governed socially and economically and if Labour are the party that best fit that then you vote for them. If Labour changes but your beliefs don't then you vote for the party that best fits your beliefs. It makes absolutely no sense to support a party if that party can then fundamentally change it's position.
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Not easy in FPTP elections. The least worst option can dominate. Has it this last election?
 
HolgateCorner said:
If you would rather have voted Green then you are not really Labour anyway, it’s entirely up to you how you cast your vote. In my view even if you think the Greens had no chance you should still have voted for them.
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In my view Starmer's Labour isn't really Labour.
 
Nano said:
This misses the point of how political parties work. There is no such thing as being Labour. There are beliefs about the way a society should be governed socially and economically and if Labour are the party that best fit that then you vote for them. If Labour changes but your beliefs don't then you vote for the party that best fits your beliefs. It makes absolutely no sense to support a party if that party can then fundamentally change it's position.

Political parties aren't football teams who you support through the good times and the bad. They propose a way of governing and you either agree with them or you don't.
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I agree to some extent but in my long experience the direction of travel of most serious political parties does not change, they tend to go in and out of fashion if anything.
 
NYboro said:
In my view Starmer's Labour isn't really Labour.
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People said that about Blair’s Labour, I always think it is used as an explanation for why Labour actually won an election.

I don’t know what they said about Wilson, I was too young, they probably said the same.
 
HolgateCorner said:
I agree to some extent but in my long experience the direction of travel of most serious political parties does not change, they tend to go in and out of fashion if anything.
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Very recent history shows pretty significant changes in the 2 main parties. From Blair to Corbyn and then Starmer have been centre, left, centre. I haven't changed my position and Corbyn's Labour have been the only version that has matched me. On the Tory side they have clearly veered significantly from Cameron's centre to whichever right wing loon is leading them from now.
 
Nano said:
Very recent history shows pretty significant changes in the 2 main parties. From Blair to Corbyn and then Starmer have been centre, left, centre. I haven't changed my position and Corbyn's Labour have been the only version that has matched me. On the Tory side they have clearly veered significantly from Cameron's centre to whichever right wing loon is leading them from now.
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I don't see how in the world Cameron can be considered a centrist when he destroyed the public sector. Worst PM in my lifetime without a shadow of a doubt.
 
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