Bellingham

[BoroMart]

FMTTM have him a rapist - thats all that appears to count
And there is little dissent which is almost a first for the Board

Personally, I’ve no idea whether he is or isn’t

Sorry but this isn’t specific to football, most people who have heard the tape have him as one, if mason greenwood is the hill you wish to die on, then fill your boots

 

[BoroMart]

Let’s see mason go to court then

This should be interesting

Exactly. Rashford lawyers would be able to cross examine mason greenwood and the girl and play the tape. It really wouldn’t look good.

For defamation to paid out you need to show that it will financially cost or harm your reputation in some way. The fact is the vast majority of the public believe him to be a rapist so Bellinghams words would have zero influence.

It’s like one or two people on here didn’t watch the case just last week with Lawrence fox and how his attempt to countersue someone calling him a racist was thrown out because his reputation was already thoroughly trashed to the point that someone saying that simply wouldn’t have made any difference

 

[go-nads!]

Surely his case would fail only if he was convicted of, or admitted, rape. I doubt it would fail because ‘he’s probably a rapist’.

Nope, like my post says, the burden of proof differs. I'd say the recordings point to the fact, that "on the balance of probability", greenwood is a rapist ie. The recordings show he is more likely to have raped his partner than not.

 

[1finny]

Nobody's asking you to take a view based on media reporting - rather it's a case of taking a view based on the audio recording of the two people involved that provide an absolutely clear picture of what happened.

If you go onto Google and search for "mason greenwood audio youtube" you'll find several versions of it. The second one that came up when I searched even includes a transcript that is absolutely disgusting to read (as is the audio to listen to).

As someone on here has said - that recording could also be a recording of role play.
Rape role play by consensual adults is a ‘thing’.
Not for me, I might add, but some couples do have this as part of their sexual repertoire.

I can only assume the CPS who, have access to the recording, didn’t think it was enough to get a rape conviction.

 

[sherlock]

As someone on here has said - that recording could also be a recording of role play.
Rape role play by consensual adults is a ‘thing’.
Not for me, I might add, but some couples do have this as part of their sexual repertoire.

Dear me….

 

[Juninhoburger]

As someone on here has said - that recording could also be a recording of role play.
Rape role play by consensual adults is a ‘thing’.
Not for me, I might add, but some couples do have this as part of their sexual repertoire.

I can only assume the CPS who, have access to the recording, didn’t think it was enough to get a rape conviction.

That's not why the case collapsed.

 

[RedAsABeetroot]

I'm surprised Greenwood complained. If civil cases use the balance of probability rather than beyond all reasonable doubt then there's a risk of Belllingham taking this to court if he's punished and effectively putting Greenwood "on trial".

 

[Liamo]

As someone on here has said - that recording could also be a recording of role play.
Rape role play by consensual adults is a ‘thing’.
Not for me, I might add, but some couples do have this as part of their sexual repertoire.

I can only assume the CPS who, have access to the recording, didn’t think it was enough to get a rape conviction.

Did you actually listen to it or read the transcript? If you did, I don't see how you could possibly think it was role play. In a rape fantasy role play, the woman is not going to keep telling the man to eff off and the man is not going to keep calling the woman an effing t**t etc. Anyone who thinks that is how such a role play is conducted obviously has very little understanding of human psychology.

As for the CPS not pursuing the case, you have to realise that was always likely to be the outcome given that not only the alleged victim but (according to the CPS) other "key witnesses" had withdrawn their cooperation.

Did you not also see the pictures of the multiple injuries she had suffered at his hands? Perhaps you think leaving your partner black and blue is also part of consensual role play? Or maybe you think she inflicted the injuries on herself or some other equally ridiculous notion.

What I can't understand is why you are so determined to bend over backwards to find excuses for this clearly coercive and abusive individual.