Away form under Wilder

Adi_Dem

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On the face of it our away form has been pretty poor and it's easy to get wrapped up in that because results are, obviously, all important. But I do think it's worth adding a bit of context. We all know we are short. The tune Wilder has got out of this group of players in terms of results, league position and the way we play has been astonishing - but only at home. Here is our away record post-Wilder:

Huddersfield (W)
Stoke (D)
Blackpool (W)
Blackburn (L)
QPR (D)
Bristol (L)
Barnsley (L)
Sheff Utd (L)

The 'home' league table sees us second with a game in hand:

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The away table sees us 18th:

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There is a clear gulf but it is a problem that pre-dates Wilder's arrival. Prior to his arrival we averaged a point a game away from home. We still average a point a game. There was an immediate response in the first three away games before it drifted after Blackburn.

That's not good enough of course for where we want to be but there is a bit of context to add I think. Firstly, of the four defeats, two have come against sides in the top 6. That is a function of where we are as a team I think and it is easy to forget that because of the job Wilder has done. We aren't good enough to go away to top 6 teams and win regularly. It's as simple as that.

Of the other two it is arguable that we deserved more out of both the Barnsley and Bristol games (Barnsley less so admittedly) but the main reason we didn't was poor finishing and slow starts (more on that later). The draw at QPR was less than we deserved too - in fact that was probably our best away performance against a pretty good team. We know the strikers aren't good enough as a group, we know that we have a thin squad and we know we have had injuries in the one area we can't afford them. Again, it's a function of where we are I think.

There are probably other factors at play too. Playing better teams midweek after tough home games given how thin our squad is, particularly in midfield, probably doesn't help. Playing at home might just give the players enough adrenaline to get through those games. We've had big cup games to play.

I think what I am trying to say is that the improvement under WIlder has yielded spectacular home results and an improved style of football. It hasn't yet translated itself into away form which has been consistently one point per game since the start of the season. The first three away games were excellent results before the five starting at Blackburn which have been really poor. That has coincided with injuries in midfield, cup runs and a heavy fixture list. Maybe we just have to accept where we are and not be sucked into expecting the same quantum leap we have made at home. It has to improve, no doubt at all, but I think we all probably felt when he took over that getting into the top 6 was a big ask. We are in with a shout still which is probably more than we had a right to expect but to really stake a claim we have to improve our away form and that might be too big an ask this season.
 
Agree with that.

Strikers are obviously not doing great. That’s been discussed at length on many threads!

Problem for me is conceding goals. Just posted this in another thread but worth repeating I think….

First 13 away games, 13 goals conceded.
Last 4 away games, 11 goals conceded.

Individual mistakes, injuries, fatigue etc etc, many reasons. I just feel we need to set up a bit more defensive away, become harder to beat.

Oh, and the players need to be up for it too and win the odd 50/50 challenge, which was part of the problem yesterday.
 
Great analysis.

I do think we will come up just short this season. But I'll be stunned if we don't make the play offs at the very least next year under Wilder. Lots to look forward to.
 
Agree with that.

Strikers are obviously not doing great. That’s been discussed at length on many threads!

Problem for me is conceding goals. Just posted this in another thread but worth repeating I think….

First 13 away games, 13 goals conceded.
Last 4 away games, 11 goals conceded.

Individual mistakes, injuries, fatigue etc etc, many reasons. I just feel we need to set up a bit more defensive away, become harder to beat.

Oh, and the players need to be up for it too and win the odd 50/50 challenge, which was part of the problem yesterday.

That's a great point. I have neen focussed on missed chances and it hadn't occurred to me that our defensive record over the last 4 was as bad as it is. I think you're right. We can't play the football Wilder wants away from home and so maybe we need to play a bit differently.
 
That's a great point. I have neen focussed on missed chances and it hadn't occurred to me that our defensive record over the last 4 was as bad as it is. I think you're right. We can't play the football Wilder wants away from home and so maybe we need to play a bit differently.
Just think our set up is wrong away. Teams bully us. We don’t play out well when pressed. Way too many individual mistakes.

Last night was hopeless. Either playing long to Connolly (about 4 foot tall?) or Lumley playing short to Paddy (marked), playing to Bola (marked), panicked clearance to touch.

Think we could try 1 up front for at least 1 away game.

——— striker———

— tav — — crooks —

Taylor/bola — McGree — Howson — Jones

McNair —— Fry —— Dijksteel

——— Lumley ———

At least we might be more solid. We could then try and hit Crooks, who would have people to lay it off to who are facing the right direction.

I’d try anything at the moment to be fair…
 
Just think our set up is wrong away. Teams bully us. We don’t play out well when pressed. Way too many individual mistakes.

Last night was hopeless. Either playing long to Connolly (about 4 foot tall?) or Lumley playing short to Paddy (marked), playing to Bola (marked), panicked clearance to touch.

Think we could try 1 up front for at least 1 away game.

——— striker———

— tav — — crooks —

Taylor/bola — McGree — Howson — Jones

McNair —— Fry —— Dijksteel

——— Lumley ———

At least we might be more solid. We could then try and hit Crooks, who would have people to lay it off to who are facing the right direction.

I’d try anything at the moment to be fair…

I think the lone striker would have to be Coburn in that system. Worth a try.
 
I think the lone striker would have to be Coburn in that system. Worth a try.
Agree

I think

Lumley

Dijksteel
Fry
McNair

Jones
Howson
McGree
Tav

Balogun
Crooks

Coburn

Balogun to the left of Coburn and Crooks popping up all over Trying to get goals. 3421 formation
 
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I think the lone striker would have to be Coburn in that system. Worth a try.
I’d be happy with that. Sporar or Watmore might work too.

Hopefully most of the attacking play would be through Jones, Crooks and Tav. The lone striker just needs to finish chances and close down a bit when out of possession.
 
Agree

I think

Lumley

Dijksteel
Fry
McNair

Jones
Howson
McGree
Tav

Balogun
Crooks

Coburn

Balogun to the left of Coburn and Crooks popping up all over Trying to get get goals. 3421 formation
That might work too, as long as Balogun is prepared to drop back and get involved. Definitely needs his 1st touch to improve too.
 
Results wise it's certainly concerning, the last two away performances have been very concerning.

But all it takes is a handful of results and that away form table looks very different.

Something needs to change, and hopefully they get it right.
We've got 6 away games left, 3 are against teams with nothing to play for, 1 is against the weakest and worst team in the league.

If we can't manage something from that, we were never going to go up anyway.
 
We were doing fine until the Bristol game considering there were some tough games in there.
I think there's an element of fatigue resulting in inconsistent performances, and the inability of our forwards to relieve any pressure (either by holding the ball or scoring) really makes it hard to relieve pressure at times
 
We seem to get bullied out of it more away from home, maybe a more defensive approach.

Back to basics with the old adage of keeping it tight, Bamba would be worth a look in away games and perhaps have Paddy and Howson in midfield sacrificing one of the forwards and moving Tav to left wing back.

Difficult to make too many changes at the moment though with players injured. Sam Morsey would have been ideal, but instead we got JLS
 
We seem to get bullied out of it more away from home, maybe a more defensive approach.

Back to basics with the old adage of keeping it tight, Bamba would be worth a look in away games and perhaps have Paddy and Howson in midfield sacrificing one of the forwards and moving Tav to left wing back.

Difficult to make too many changes at the moment though with players injured. Sam Morsey would have been ideal, but instead we got JLS

We'd have been better off with the singers.
 
Hit and miss performances are down to either not being good enough or a lack of application/concentration. The cup run does seem to be causing distraction looking at some performances of late.
 
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