Are the Government massaging the death rate.

Laughing

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Bear, Billy, wrong thread probably, but I saw in a couple of papers today that infections have increased by 28% in July, that's b***ks isn't it? I see that cases have been rising a bit in the last 10 days or so, but 28%?
 

Billy Horner

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Bear, Billy, wrong thread probably, but I saw in a couple of papers today that infections have increased by 28% in July, that's b***ks isn't it? I see that cases have been rising a bit in the last 10 days or so, but 28%?
I'm about to post an update on the other thread, but new cases (i.e. positive tests) have increased from an average of 546 per day on 8th July to 725 per day today. That's an increase of 33% in three weeks.

A consistent up-tick in cases rather than exponential growth and well below the peak levels of 6,200 per day (when we were also testing fewer people), but still...
 

bear66

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Bear, Billy, wrong thread probably, but I saw in a couple of papers today that infections have increased by 28% in July, that's b***ks isn't it? I see that cases have been rising a bit in the last 10 days or so, but 28%?
There has been an increase in testing that may be the reason for the increase in positives. The Pillar 1 cases seen to be up and down and not consistent but if hospital patients begin to start rising then that would be a concern. That isn't happening at the moment. What we'd hope to see is positive cases beginning to fall from the new higher level at some point. If the figures continue to rise, then we would be seeing a real increase.

There have been cases of pubs with 30+ cases. It wouldn't take many pubs, work places etc. to see the positives we're getting. That doesn't mean community transmission is happening, but isolated spikes. The concern is spikes getting a foothold in the community.
 

bear66

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Bear, Billy, wrong thread probably, but I saw in a couple of papers today that infections have increased by 28% in July, that's b***ks isn't it? I see that cases have been rising a bit in the last 10 days or so, but 28%?
I'll repost a picture showing how increased infections are regional in the UK and other European countries. We aren't the worst over the last 14 days in terms of infections. We have the third highest number of deaths per head of population, Romania and Sweden slightly higher. 71436.jpg
 

Billy Horner

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No further deaths announced by South Tees NHS Trust, total remaining at 255.

No further deaths announced by North Tees and Hartlepool NHS Trust, total remaining at 140.

South Tees NHS Trust are 5th highest (same as yesterday) in terms of number of deaths in the North East & Yorkshire region (out of 30 NHS Trusts) and the 37th highest (same as yesterday) in the country (out of 220 NHS Trusts in England).

North Tees and Hartlepool NHS Trust are 16th (same as yesterday) in terms of number of deaths in the North East & Yorkshire region and the 92nd (same as yesterday) in the country.

This is the 32nd time in the past 33 days that neither Trust has reported any Covid-related deaths.
 

Billy Horner

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No further deaths announced by South Tees NHS Trust, total remaining at 255.

No further deaths announced by North Tees and Hartlepool NHS Trust, total remaining at 140.

South Tees NHS Trust are 5th highest (same as yesterday) in terms of number of deaths in the North East & Yorkshire region (out of 30 NHS Trusts) and the 37th highest (same as yesterday) in the country (out of 220 NHS Trusts in England).

North Tees and Hartlepool NHS Trust are 16th (same as yesterday) in terms of number of deaths in the North East & Yorkshire region and the 92nd (same as yesterday) in the country.

This is the 33rd time in the past 34 days that neither Trust has reported any Covid-related deaths.
 

Billy Horner

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No further deaths announced by South Tees NHS Trust, total remaining at 255.

No further deaths announced by North Tees and Hartlepool NHS Trust, total remaining at 140.

South Tees NHS Trust are 5th highest (same as yesterday) in terms of number of deaths in the North East & Yorkshire region (out of 30 NHS Trusts) and the 37th highest (same as yesterday) in the country (out of 220 NHS Trusts in England).

North Tees and Hartlepool NHS Trust are 16th (same as yesterday) in terms of number of deaths in the North East & Yorkshire region and the 92nd (same as yesterday) in the country.

This is the 34th time in the past 35 days that neither Trust has reported any Covid-related deaths.
 
No further deaths announced by South Tees NHS Trust, total remaining at 255.

No further deaths announced by North Tees and Hartlepool NHS Trust, total remaining at 140.

South Tees NHS Trust are 5th highest (same as yesterday) in terms of number of deaths in the North East & Yorkshire region (out of 30 NHS Trusts) and the 37th highest (same as yesterday) in the country (out of 220 NHS Trusts in England).

North Tees and Hartlepool NHS Trust are 16th (same as yesterday) in terms of number of deaths in the North East & Yorkshire region and the 92nd (same as yesterday) in the country.

This is the 35th time in the past 36 days that neither Trust has reported any Covid-related deaths.
 
I’m not even going to bother looking to be honest.

Carl Heneghan is a well known Covid denier. He is often quoted by those of a similar persuasion, which is how, I presume, that you came across him on your Twitter feed.

He has repeatedly claimed that UK infections peaked, prior to lockdown, on 16th March, despite there being no data to support such a claim. An interesting statement from the director of the so-called 'Centre for Evidence Based Medicine'.

On 21st May, he stated “I think by the end of June we'll be looking at the data and finding it difficult to find people with this illness”. As it has transpired, nearly 25,000 people have tested positive for Covid since the end of June, which is estimated by the ONS to be only around 20% of the actual number who have contracted the virus since then.

Ok, anyone can make a mistake. However, on 2nd June Heneghan was quoted as saying "by the end of this month, we should be in a period where we are starting to see no Coronavirus deaths". There have been 2,206 deaths since the end of June, with no days whatsoever where there have been no deaths recorded (even if you only count hospital deaths).

So forgive me if I treat his claims with a heaped tablespoon of scepticism. He is the Covid equivalent of the 2% of environmental scientists who don't believe in climate change.
 
I’m not even going to bother looking to be honest.

Carl Heneghan is a well known Covid denier. He is often quoted by those of a similar persuasion, which is how, I presume, that you came across him on your Twitter feed.

He has repeatedly claimed that UK infections peaked, prior to lockdown, on 16th March, despite there being no data to support such a claim. An interesting statement from the director of the so-called 'Centre for Evidence Based Medicine'.

On 21st May, he stated “I think by the end of June we'll be looking at the data and finding it difficult to find people with this illness”. As it has transpired, nearly 25,000 people have tested positive for Covid since the end of June, which is estimated by the ONS to be only around 20% of the actual number who have contracted the virus since then.

Ok, anyone can make a mistake. However, on 2nd June Heneghan was quoted as saying "by the end of this month, we should be in a period where we are starting to see no Coronavirus deaths". There have been 2,206 deaths since the end of June, with no days whatsoever where there have been no deaths recorded (even if you only count hospital deaths).

So forgive me if I treat his claims with a heaped tablespoon of scepticism. He is the Covid equivalent of the 2% of environmental scientists who don't believe in climate change.
Gotcha.
Didn't see the article on twitter. Was sent to me by a friend but nice assumption.

I didn't see any denying of the virus in the article either but if you haven't read it then you wouldn't know.
 
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