anti-Semitism and the Labour left

Alvez_48 said:
They managed to get the job done so good investment from them, it's shocking really.

And to think Starmer immediately paid off the court case within labour.
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That was one thing that bugged me no end. It perhaps drew a line underneath the episode but if you have done nothing wrong be prepared to defend that view in court if necessary.
 
Something just occurred to me. There is clearly division within Labour still. Given where the country finds itself, why aren't the left in the party rallying behind the party to help the country through the pandemic. We point fingers at the tory b@stards but can we not level a finger at some parts of the Labour party also.
 
Laughing said:
Something just occurred to me. There is clearly division within Labour still. Given where the country finds itself, why aren't the left in the party rallying behind the party to help the country through the pandemic. We point fingers at the tory b@stards but can we not level a finger at some parts of the Labour party also.
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The chances of that happening are zero. Just look at what the right have done. All the backstabbing, accusations of anti-Semitism, choreographed resignations (52 shadow cabinet/shadow ministers and 11 private secretaries.) and the throwing of two elections.

Anyone who wants to level a finger at the left of the party at this point for not rallying round, has a bit of cheek to say the least.
 
Laughing said:
Something just occurred to me. There is clearly division within Labour still. Given where the country finds itself, why aren't the left in the party rallying behind the party to help the country through the pandemic. We point fingers at the tory b@stards but can we not level a finger at some parts of the Labour party also.
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One of my biggest frustrations with the Labour Party at the moment is that there still seems to be quite some split. As a socialist I was, and remain, a huge Jeremy Corbyn fan but at the last election the public spoke and despite it being skewed by Brexit, the public didn't want to back him in sufficient enough numbers to elect him.

The way the media treat him was disgraceful and a big part of what went wrong, but it worked. I tirelessly walked the streets in Blyth Valley on election day knocking on doors, talking to people and trying to see if we could rally some support for the Labour Party and get people out voting. It was an awful day, the heavens had opened and I was drenched but I carried on regardless. What I saw was awful - large numbers of people who were previously Labour voters were telling me they'd never vote for Labour while Corbyn was in charge. They bought the terrorist sympathiser card and I heard it so many times it was unreal.

The reason Blyth Valley was lost however ran deeper than that. The left of the BV CLP did very little to get out and canvass and support the Labour Party because of a split at local level about the new Labour candidate and they didn't back her. I, however, still went out trawling the streets becuase I wanted to back my Labour candidate and look what happened. We were further hampered by Ronnie Campbell being pro-Brexit and indeed telling people to vote 'to get Brexit done' rather than campaigning for his potential successor.

Despite being a socialist, when I was able to vote in the ledership election I voted for Keir Starmer becuase he represented, IMHO, the best chance to get rid of this government. What I find unplalatable now is that there are many Labour left people who are casuing trouble and widening divides within the Party at a time when people should be pragmatic and understand that Labour have a wide range of supporters, more so than any other party ranging from hard left through to centre-right.

More than anything, I would have loved to seen a Jeremy Corbyn government but sadly, that ship has now sailed and I understand there are more in the Labour Party and more of their voters who would prefer the party to move on from that. Those that still perpetuate division within the party only help to imprison us under this shower of a Tory governance.
 
Well done wee gord. My point, I guess was that sections of the labour party are putting their wants above needs of the electorate, and that goes for both the right and left of the party.
 
WeeGord said:
One of my biggest frustrations with the Labour Party at the moment is that there still seems to be quite some split. As a socialist I was, and remain, a huge Jeremy Corbyn fan but at the last election the public spoke and despite it being skewed by Brexit, the public didn't want to back him in sufficient enough numbers to elect him.

The way the media treat him was disgraceful and a big part of what went wrong, but it worked. I tirelessly walked the streets in Blyth Valley on election day knocking on doors, talking to people and trying to see if we could rally some support for the Labour Party and get people out voting. It was an awful day, the heavens had opened and I was drenched but I carried on regardless. What I saw was awful - large numbers of people who were previously Labour voters were telling me they'd never vote for Labour while Corbyn was in charge. They bought the terrorist sympathiser card and I heard it so many times it was unreal.

The reason Blyth Valley was lost however ran deeper than that. The left of the BV CLP did very little to get out and canvass and support the Labour Party because of a split at local level about the new Labour candidate and they didn't back her. I, however, still went out trawling the streets becuase I wanted to back my Labour candidate and look what happened. We were further hampered by Ronnie Campbell being pro-Brexit and indeed telling people to vote 'to get Brexit done' rather than campaigning for his potential successor.

Despite being a socialist, when I was able to vote in the ledership election I voted for Keir Starmer becuase he represented, IMHO, the best chance to get rid of this government. What I find unplalatable now is that there are many Labour left people who are casuing trouble and widening divides within the Party at a time when people should be pragmatic and understand that Labour have a wide range of supporters, more so than any other party ranging from hard left through to centre-right.

More than anything, I would have loved to seen a Jeremy Corbyn government but sadly, that ship has now sailed and I understand there are more in the Labour Party and more of their voters who would prefer the party to move on from that. Those that still perpetuate division within the party only help to imprison us under this shower of a Tory governance.
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I could agree with that if the labour right hadn't supported Corbyn but did nothing to interfere. The fact that they fought against him and the left so viciously and intentionally tried to lose elections means there is no going back to the so called broadchurch. The Labour party is finished in it's current form. Even if Starmer manages to attract enough soft tories to win the next election it wont last. They Tories will regroup and the voters will return to their natural home. The only chance of the left having any say in the future is to form their own party. I'm in scotland and will vote SNP in future despite never supporting Independence in the past. Used to be a member but couldn't bring myself to vote Labour again after the last few years.
 
Laughing said:
Well done wee gord. My point, I guess was that sections of the labour party are putting their wants above needs of the electorate, and that goes for both the right and left of the party.
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I agree entirely. The divisions and infighting within Labour and allowing this government free reign to cause havoc and destruction, to the point they are now openly involved in corrupt practices and are able to do so with impunity.

Until both wings of the Labour Party start building bridges and working together, they are helping facilitate the continued shambles that is Cummings show.

The irony is that a united Labour Party would destroy the Tories.
 
If there were an election tomorrow I'd vote labour but I'd be lying if it wasn't with a really heavy heart.

I feel betrayed by the labour party establishment, I know they actively stopped Corbyn , fought him at every turn and now sit there pretending there was nothing more they could have done.

They then expect my vote and a little thank you sir for any crumbs they throw working people.

It's a sad and sorry state, at least we aren't America with Biden and trump being the options because that would be horrible
 
The ruling class and the establishment got what they wanted.
They destroyed Corbyn`s "socialism" with the willing compliance of the capitalsi media, forces of reaction and significantly the zionist lobby and its aparatchicks in the Labour Party: "The Enemy Within".
Corbyn didnt help his cause by being non-commital over Brexit and not calling out nhis enemies. Instead he was too timid when he should have gone on all out attack.

Now we have Safe Sir - In my lifetime Ive seen this cycle so many times - the party is the red deckchair on the Titanic instead of the blue one. Its a vehicle to shackle the working class to the Capitalist ship. Someone once described to me the difference between the Tories and Labour: The Tories were Capitalism with the gloves off. Labour is the iron fist of Capitalism inside a red velvet glove - it hits as hard but doesnt leave any marks, whilst doing the same job.
 
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