Another poor kid dies after taking Ecstacy

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MoggasDog

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I have read the article in the gazette about another kids dying after taking E . There were also those poor kids in Manchester who died after taking pills form the same dealer.

The war on drugs failed so miserably and was always going to. We need another way.

When you were a teenager, how much notice did you take of the law when you and your mates wanted to get a buzz and enjoy life together? I'm guessing: none.
These poor kids have died because of the refusal to acknowledge that our attitudes need to change: we must being more mature and accepting drug use is, often, all part of growing up and these poor kids should be helped.
How about a testing service? Buy your gear and then nip to a chemist who can tell you what you have bought and what the levels of impurity? This could then be used to announce when dangerous gear is picked and kids dont die. Maybe charities could be allowed to anonymously track and trace good gear and bad gear?
Drug users have never caused me a problem, other than offending my ears with some of the music, but the scum but the scum who are left to control the market have caused me problems. Or when addiction takes hold and people who are ill are not given the support needed - thats when we all start to pay.

The law is not working. Dealers will just keep dealing. I have never, ever had drugs 'pushed' on to me. I dont pretend that I can talk my son into staying away form drugs: I will tell him what I know and that he should be careful. Same with drink.
I dont think legalisation is the answer, necessarily, because of the problems legal highs like spice caused but I certainly believe that it should not be a crime to use drugs. But there should be something other than the police and undertakers.
 
Unfortunately no amount of rules, media, laws, legislation, charities or advice will stop the curious mind of a teenager.

I`d love to see drug abuse eradicated but I`m living in a dream world.

RIP those who have passed.
 
Surely the initial way to go is to have Dutch style drop in centres where you can have your drugs checked. “War on Drugs” and other catchy slogans keeps Daily Mail readers happy but not kids alive!
 
People will always take drugs and find new ways to get high or a buzz. It's never going to stop or change. It's illegal and carries big sentances yet its rife in every corner of life.

It's not just your scumbag crackhead who steals to pay for his habit. You have far more occasional drug users who did a bit of coke or a pill at a festive etc. It's almost 'the norm'. You can see in every pub or football match groups of lads pilling out of a toilet cubical (women are as bad out in town).

So you can't ever stop it. I think more public and mainstream warnings or advice should be availible. It's very 'taboo' and not something a kid will ask a parent.

The issue with drugs now is due to the dark web they are posted through a letter box and easier to buy. No longer going down a dodgy ally or housing estate. This means that any teenager can effectively become a dealer. You don't have to be some hard stone island wearing pusher. It's now a nerdy kid sat on his laptop.

The other issue is drugs have never been stronger or cheaper. You have pills that are 300mg+ of MDMA (in the 90s it was probably 60-80). They drop a pill and die of a massive overdose. I don't think Coke has ever been so pure and cheap as it is today. You can see that by the pure amount of grown adults having heart attacks off it😒

I just think that people are going to do it. This now includes kids in school aged 12 and upwards. You can buy a pill for the price of a happy meal (I nicked that from a headline in Portsmouth about kids doing Es at school).

So education either as a parent or an adult they can talk to is probably needed. I know it's doesn't sit right saying to a 14 year old 'I know you will do drugs but if you do then do it safely'. It's never 'safe' but you can make it safer if they are going to do it anyhow (as in Es only do a quarter or half etc).

I imagine in many cases it's the amount of drugs injested that kills rather than the drug itself. They simply won't know whats a 'safe' amount (again nothing is really)

That said last time I did any was in 98 in ibiza. So a little out of touch😂
 
What drugs should they sell , ie) Spice,Heroin,Coke, Crack,Dope?
Who should the Govt allow to produce them ?
At what age should kids begin to be allowed to use them?
Where should they be allowed to take them? ie) pubs,concerts, public spaces,work?
 
ticker_tape said:
What drugs should they sell , ie) Spice,Heroin,Coke, Crack,Dope?
Who should the Govt allow to produce them ?
At what age should kids begin to be allowed to use them?
Where should they be allowed to take them? ie) pubs,concerts, public spaces,work?
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As it stands, kids find it easier to buy weed than alcohol because the controls around alcohol are pretty effective and the chances of buying contaminated alcohol are virtually zero.
 
So produce drugs licences and like breweries produce beer only producing different types of drugs and then sell them at outlets like supermarkets, corner shops, garages etc.
Home make kits ?
 
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I watched a documentary about the fentanyl epidemic in north america - that is seriously scary stuff. 2mg can be fatal. it is all delivered via mail from China, as they do with a lot of spice etc.
We need to be tackling this kind of thing with the Chinese government - obviously after the orange idiot has gone because he just wants to pick a fight with China for his mate in Russia. We need China to stop exporting these drugs. Being the way they are and how they control their population, this is something they could do but will, no doubt, want something in return.
 
One of the Dakotas North or South I cant remember which have just legalised possession of small quantities of all drugs. I think its the way forward, we shouldn't be locking people up for taking drugs or using them, if they get violent or begin robbing just like alcoholics thats when they need locking up.
 
I wouldn't want the Govt to produce them, just give the licenses out, private companies only to produce them. I cant expect the tax payer to fund the production of them.
 
changingman said:
This is the best book I've read on the subject, lots of first hand interviews with those involved:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chasing_the_Scream
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Ben Elton wrote one years ago - can’t remember what it was called but very good

I guess we have a number of options
* Do nothing (and nothing will change)
* Tougher law enforcement (more get caught but difficult to stamp out)
* Try a different approach: Deganya’s thoughts get my vote

Legalise. Regulate for quality and safety. Educate, and start telling the truth.[/QUOTE]
 
1finny said:
Ben Elton wrote one years ago - can’t remember what it was called but very good

I guess we have a number of options
* Do nothing (and nothing will change)
* Tougher law enforcement (more get caught but difficult to stamp out)
* Try a different approach: Deganya’s thoughts get my vote

Legalise. Regulate for quality and safety. Educate, and start telling the truth.
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You thinking of High Society?
 
I think that the main thing to do is to fight a PR/education war rather than legal enforcement. As has been said, too many "get into it" without really foreseeing bad examples of the effects. It's too glorified and trivialised - whether that's in music videos/lyrics, TV shows, films and whatever. There needs to be balanced cultural coverage to show how the beginning of usage normally ends in reality - bankruptcy, loss of stable relationships and crime.
 
I watched a documentary based upon the approach in this news article. In Canada they have centres where you can go, you are given clean needles and are in a safe environment in case of OD, it doesn’t address the poisoned drugs scenario but just makes sure you are somewhere safe if something does go wrong.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....site-canada-injection-drug-addicts/index.html

This is more for addicts users, wouldn’t necessarily work for those taking e as they obviously want to be out having a good time.

I must confess I’ve never taken ecstasy for the very reason that it could result in death was deterrent enough for me.
 
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