Alex Bruce

Not wrong though.

In his two seasons, Bruce has achieved exactly the same points totals as Saint Rafa, but he's had an axe hovering over his neck the whole season whilst Benitez was hailed as a miracle worker.

Benitez also helped relegate Newcastle, they were 1 point from safety with a game in hand when he was appointed, they finished 2 points from safety.
 
TeaCider said:
Not wrong though.

In his two seasons, Bruce has achieved exactly the same points totals as Saint Rafa, but he's had an axe hovering over his neck the whole season whilst Benitez was hailed as a miracle worker.

Benitez also helped relegate Newcastle, they were 1 point from safety with a game in hand when he was appointed, they finished 2 points from safety.
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Not how football works though. The majority of football fans are so certain of their opinions that they decide before an appointment whether it will be a success (or not) and then spend the tenure trying to prove that they were right. If it’s not about results, it’s about style or long-term plan or transfers or money spent etc. We’re a very strange bunch, and I include myself in that.

You’re right though, Rafa could have taken them down but because he was a bigger name than they expected in charge they’d have simply blamed some other aspect of the club.
 
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Thank Bruce for what? Getting the club out of the mess he created himself?

Alex has been in football to know how this all works, and if he genuinely expects his dad to be praised he is completely deluded.
 
JM14 said:
Thank Bruce for what? Getting the club out of the mess he created himself?

Alex has been in football to know how this all works, and if he genuinely expects his dad to be praised he is completely deluded.
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Not sure he completely created it. They’re generally a lower mid-table side these days aren’t they? Doesn’t look like a mess to me, just standard fair. The real test will be if they can bounce back straight away a third time next time they get relegated, which will be soon.
 
The whole Rafa thing is a myth. They set up not to win games and pumped it forward to Rondon.

I have no idea why they think he's a legend. He also fecked off at the first opportunity for teble the money.
 
So its abuse when your Dad gets it but fine for you to abuse a Journalist doing his job reporting the truth on events that actually happened.
 
I thought this would have been about Alex signing for Newcastle. Only ever appeared to sign for a club once old fat head took charge... My not be factually correct but feels like that in my head
 
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Not sure he completely created it. They’re generally a lower mid-table side these days aren’t they? Doesn’t look like a mess to me, just standard fair. The real test will be if they can bounce back straight away a third time next time they get relegated, which will be soon.
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The won 2 games in 20 earlier this season and looked certain to be going down, yes he has turned it around but that’s no great achievement and he certainly shouldn’t expect praise for it
 
JM14 said:
The won 2 games in 20 earlier this season and looked certain to be going down, yes he has turned it around but that’s no great achievement and he certainly shouldn’t expect praise for it
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Yet it was treated as a great achievement under Benitez and he was praised to high heavens.

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That was how they started their last season under Benitez

Here was their final tally:

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This season under Bruce, they were absolutely crippled by injuries for large parts of the season, with their two best players in Wilson and Saint-Maximin missing half of the matches.
It's not a coincidence that their bad run was when they were both injured.

Here's their final tally:

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Same number of wins, same number of draws, more goals scored, though they did concede significantly more.
 
JM14 said:
The won 2 games in 20 earlier this season and looked certain to be going down, yes he has turned it around but that’s no great achievement and he certainly shouldn’t expect praise for it
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Perhaps not, but the fact is he found them in 13th place in the PL, he now has them 12th. Maybe he doesn't deserve a statue to be built (they'd have happily built one for Rafa) but their fans are going on as though he's the reason they're not winning the title, when in actual fact he's no further away from any measure of success than their hero Benitez.
 
The reason Rafa is liked a lot of more up there than Bruce can be put down to Rafa constantly standing up to Mike Ashley something that Bruce never does. Looking from the outside Newcastle are a lot better to watch and as pointed out above pretty much getting the same results under Bruce than they ever were under Rafa, but football fans go on emotion. Also the fans never wanted Bruce in the first place so in a tough place from the start, Woodgate was in a similar position here.
 
He was never welcomed by the geordies from the moment he got the job.

I think the fact he was a previous Sunderland manager didn't help.

But there's no denying he's got more out of his squad of players than their 'hero' Rafa did.

Makes me laugh how they laud Benitez as this legend, yet he took them down without a fight and then when he brought them back up, their football was by a clear mile, the worst branded football in the PL. It was like pulling teeth whenever they were on TV.

Bruce isn't liked by their fans, yet has done a better ( or if not, an equal) job than their hero Rafa and they actually play better football under Bruce.

They've always been a strange breed those lot up the road.
 
That tweet is the perfect example of why you should pause and think before pressing send.

Newcastle are such a one man team. Take Saint maximan out and they're bottom three. We should have been the same when traore was here.
 
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