A long read on Labour

Alvez_48

Alvez_48

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https://jacobinmag.com/2020/06/keir...wf1jeA6Eywk6y4qPfoYcKzLVYBEHFxacrQMhuKU3reCv8

I know many won't have the will to read a long article on labour but it's explosive and shows how vile the right of the party is and how papers like the guardian are no longer a friend of the people.

I have no solution the Tories will always be what they are but it does just depress me how the common person no longer has representation (if it ever did).

Humourous side note I read an article that called Starmer 'Centrist Progressive' talk about double speak. 🤣
 
Alvez_48 said:
https://jacobinmag.com/2020/06/keir...wf1jeA6Eywk6y4qPfoYcKzLVYBEHFxacrQMhuKU3reCv8

I know many won't have the will to read a long article on labour but it's explosive and shows how vile the right of the party is and how papers like the guardian are no longer a friend of the people.

I have no solution the Tories will always be what they are but it does just depress me how the common person no longer has representation (if it ever did).

Humourous side note I read an article that called Starmer 'Centrist Progressive' talk about double speak. 🤣
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A country without a credible opposition descends closer to being a one-party state. The Labour Party needs disbanding and starting again for us to build credible opposition once again.
 
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Makes my blood boil (a tad exaggerated!) when I hear praise from MSM (BBC et al) for the brave whistle blowers who were determined to expose the anti semitism in the Labour Party. And how canvassers were told on doorsteps that folk couldn't vote for an anti Semitic party. I've said it before ,until recently a vast majority of voters wouldn't have a clue what anti Semitic meant!
The current massive push against China and usual vitriol against Russia.Iran, Syria and N Korea needed to have full support from all sides of Western powers. Israel is the West's policeman in the middle East and they didn't want dissenting voices to spoil their efforts to quell anyone against Western control.
 
This fella will keep trying to defend these thieving racists, be telling us hes always voted Labour and not the Covid crimes party.
 
I read the article, very interesting. I am not sure how accurate parts of it are though, and there are motives assumed for actions that Finn simply cannot know. The sacking of Long-Bailey would be a good example of this.

What it does make clear is that sections of the Labour party were actively working against Jeremy Corbyn, and as Mclusky put it, "Are a fu*%ing disgrace".

However, we all knew that already, didn't we?

Is any of this laid at the feet of Starmer? I wouldn't have thought so. Does Starmer really want to side with Johnson against the teachers union? I don't know but I haven't seen any evidence of this.
 
Laughing said:
I read the article, very interesting. I am not sure how accurate parts of it are though, and there are motives assumed for actions that Finn simply cannot know. The sacking of Long-Bailey would be a good example of this.

What it does make clear is that sections of the Labour party were actively working against Jeremy Corbyn, and as Mclusky put it, "Are a fu*%ing disgrace".

However, we all knew that already, didn't we?

Is any of this laid at the feet of Starmer? I wouldn't have thought so. Does Starmer really want to side with Johnson against the teachers union? I don't know but I haven't seen any evidence of this.
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It's the international stance that's the thing.
 
Alvez_48 said:
https://jacobinmag.com/2020/06/keir...wf1jeA6Eywk6y4qPfoYcKzLVYBEHFxacrQMhuKU3reCv8

I know many won't have the will to read a long article on labour but it's explosive and shows how vile the right of the party is and how papers like the guardian are no longer a friend of the people.

I have no solution the Tories will always be what they are but it does just depress me how the common person no longer has representation (if it ever did).

Humourous side note I read an article that called Starmer 'Centrist Progressive' talk about double speak. 🤣
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I don’t have the will to read a long article from a hard left Dubliner in a US publication on UK politics. Also the right of the Labour party vile? Not a patch on “Vileness“ on the right of the Government.
 
hopesoboro said:
It's the international stance that's the thing.
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My take on the article was it was a long article to try and taint Starmer with what went on in the Labour party before his elevation to leader.

He may well have played a part, but I don't see any evidence for it, sacking Long-Bailey may well have been a political decision rather than a moral one, I grant that, as there was never a clear consensus on whether she was promoting antisemitism or not.

As I say an interesting read and worth it, regardless of the authors motivation in writing it, just keep your eyes open whilst doing so.
 
She dithered over an easy decision to make and wanted to get pushed. She believed the idiots that made her out to have clout.
 
It's interesting to read the view from Corbynland, but it seems unwilling to accept that continuing with Corbynista policies would inevitably lead to further electoral hammerings. It woz Corbyn wot lost it.
 
Laughing said:
My take on the article was it was a long article to try and taint Starmer with what went on in the Labour party before his elevation to leader.

He may well have played a part, but I don't see any evidence for it, sacking Long-Bailey may well have been a political decision rather than a moral one, I grant that, as there was never a clear consensus on whether she was promoting antisemitism or not.

As I say an interesting read and worth it, regardless of the authors motivation in writing it, just keep your eyes open whilst doing so.
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Never read the article. You're questioning of Long-Bailey
'promoting' anti semitism tells me you've never been anywhere near Labour Party meeting.
 
If the sacking of RLB was a small indication of the direction Keir Starmer is taking the Labour Party, Starmer's capitulation and groveling apology to those who took part in the Panorama stitch up is conclusive. In a case that QC Martin Forde - the man charged with handling the investigation into the leaked Labour report - said was eminently winnable, Starmer apologises, hands out huge compensation from members subs, and totally undermines the investigation.

Whilst I will never vote Conservative, Keir Starmer has a lot to do to convince me that he is little more than a Tory imposter.
 
zaphod said:
It's interesting to read the view from Corbynland, but it seems unwilling to accept that continuing with Corbynista policies would inevitably lead to further electoral hammerings. It woz Corbyn wot lost it.
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Starmer maintained throughout the internal leadership election that he'd stick to Corbyn's policies. That's his mandate.
 
I've had the argument a hundred times that there are 2 options for labour. One is long and difficult but ultimately much more rewarding, the other is a cop out:
1. Be a left wing party. Deliver genuine progressive change.
2. Be a centrist party. Take the easy win. Carry on as is, implementing capitalist policies.

What is the point of winning if you're only going to do what the opposition wants anyway?
 
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