A bit of positivity

Mayor Goldie Wilson

Mayor Goldie Wilson

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Yesterday wasn’t ideal obviously. But I don’t get the constant negativity. I would like to think by the time the window closes and everyone is fit only Dieng, Lenihan, Hackney, Forss and McGree from yesterdays team will be regular starters. Smith or Dijksteel, a new left back, Howson, Akpom and a new striker will all come in.

Yeah we look short at the moment and players are playing out of position through necessity but we are arguably stronger than this time last year.

The one thing I will say, which I have said over the summer and got pelters for, is that any team who is serious about competing at the top of this division cannot have Matt Crooks as a starter. We have the players thought to avoid this by playing Silvera on the left and McGree central. Our best spell yesterday I thought was in the ten minutes or so before Coulson went off when McGree was playing more centrally and started getting on the ball in pockets of space. Then McGree was moved to left back and Crooks moved centrally again.

Anyway, onwards and upwards and UTFB
 
It's telling how few replies there is on this thread!!!

I think we'll be fine, I'm positive that we'll bring in 2 or 3 senior players and whilst I don't think we'll be able to replicate the form under Carrick from last season, I still think we'll be in and around the top 6.
 
Been watching the Boro for too long to be dragged into a mire of negativity by performance in preseason or on the first day of the season. Seen worse and rarely if ever has an opening day defeat (or win come to think of it) defined the season ahead. UTB
 
Akpom has a presence which would have added to our forward play, substitute him in the line up for Crooks and we would have more pace and outlets.

We all know issues with the need to improve the left side too.

Howson would add a bit more drive and bite in midfield.

We did hit a sweet spot from mid November to end of March last season when we were scoring lots of goals and averaging over 2 points per game, but that is a high not normal. We didn't seem to pick up any new injuries and suspensions (unlike at present when we have 6 players who are injured or just recovering from injuries). We possibly got a boost from having a new manager and we changed a bit how we played and it took the opposing teams a bit of time to figure us out.

Looking out our budget we should be a top half side in the Championship, but not necessarily a top 6 one. I know I sound like Chris Wilder. We obviously should be going for promotion, but probably 16 teams in the Championship are also going for promotion.
 
Something which may have been important in the home game against Coventry and obviously yesterday was the absence of a fully fit Chuba. His injury suffered after about 15 minutes (I think?) against Coventry had a big influence over his and our performance in my opinion, and we definitely missed him yesterday.
 
Mayor Goldie Wilson said:
But I don’t get the constant negativity.
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I think last season we were very close to being an automatic promotion quality team but we never had a chance of the autos because we gave everyone else a month headstart. We were about 12 points off by the time we got started. The negativity this season is because we are making the same mistake. If we give up on August because we can't get transfers in until the end of the window then it means at best we will be a playoff chasing team and we know how difficult a route that is to achieve promotion.

I was hoping, and I'd think Carrick was as well, that we would be an automatic promotion quality team but it's a waste if you can only start your season in mid September. The negativity comes from seeing it as a "what could have been" rather than from a "we're ****" view.
 
We dropped points last season because of Chris wilder not because of being late in getting transfers in. Carrick was able to get a fine tune out of the players we had at the club right from the first game of the season. In fact I think we did a fine job in the transfer window with lenihan Giles Smith Forss and Steffen coming in. We have much the same squad now, though I must admit I'm disappointed this year. We have had three good transfer windows that have each improved the team. I don't think that is the case yet this year.
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
We dropped points last season because of Chris wilder not because of being late in getting transfers in. Carrick was able to get a fine tune out of the players we had at the club right from the first game of the season. In fact I think we did a fine job in the transfer window with lenihan Giles Smith Forss and Steffen coming in. We have much the same squad now, though I must admit I'm disappointed this year. We have had three good transfer windows that have each improved the team. I don't think that is the case yet this year.
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Completely disagree. The recruitment team should be working with the manager and they signed players he didn't want and didn't sign players he did want. Yes, Wilder shoulders plenty of blame because of the way we played but the recruitment team failed Wilder.

It was a failure, despite Carrick getting a tune out of them. The recruitment team aren't absolved just because they got lucky with Akpom turning into the best player in the league and Hackney breaking through. Carrick, Akpom and Hackney saved them and then Danks was responsible for the good recruitment in January.
 
So it was a failure despite the fact we were successful. Depends what your mentality is I suppose. Personally I thought the five players we brought in were all good players.
 
The Card Cheat said:
Something which may have been important in the home game against Coventry and obviously yesterday was the absence of a fully fit Chuba. His injury suffered after about 15 minutes (I think?) against Coventry had a big influence over his and our performance in my opinion, and we definitely missed him yesterday.
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We can’t live in hope that our only goal scorer (if he stays) remains fit for the full season.
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
So it was a failure despite the fact we were successful. Depends what your mentality is I suppose. Personally I thought the five players we brought in were all good players.
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We didn't only bring 5 players in and there were some very poor signings in there. Don't forget that we were recruiting for a Wilder team not a Carrick team so you can only judge them on their suitability for that system. Giles, Steffen and Lenihan were successes. Muniz, Hoppe, Mowatt, Forss weren't. Clarke was a failure because he didn't suit Wilder's system but I don't blame the recruitment team for his injury and he might be a decent player in a different setup so that one is neutral. Forss eventually became a winger which is certainly not what he was recruited for. 2 of those loans barely played. Hoppe was a lot of money for a player that wasn't good enough and we're already trying to get rid of. There was also Luongo who never featured and Roberts who we've already got rid of as well.

There is no way of legitimately viewing that transfer business as successful. It also took all of August for us to do that and as much as I dislike Wilder he was well within his rights to be annoyed. We spent a lot of time on targets we had no chance of getting and who I don't actually believe we ever had the finances available for judging on our transfer activity since then.
 
Nano said:
We didn't only bring 5 players in and there were some very poor signings in there. Don't forget that we were recruiting for a Wilder team not a Carrick team so you can only judge them on their suitability for that system. Giles, Steffen and Lenihan were successes. Muniz, Hoppe, Mowatt, Forss weren't. Clarke was a failure because he didn't suit Wilder's system but I don't blame the recruitment team for his injury and he might be a decent player in a different setup so that one is neutral. Forss eventually became a winger which is certainly not what he was recruited for. 2 of those loans barely played. Hoppe was a lot of money for a player that wasn't good enough and we're already trying to get rid of. There was also Luongo who never featured and Roberts who we've already got rid of as well.

There is no way of legitimately viewing that transfer business as successful. It also took all of August for us to do that and as much as I dislike Wilder he was well within his rights to be annoyed. We spent a lot of time on targets we had no chance of getting and who I don't actually believe we ever had the finances available for judging on our transfer activity since then.
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Hold on Forss wasn’t a success?! Eh? He was excellent for us last season. That’s one of the wrongest things I’ve seen in a long time.
And I’ve seen some wrong old things.

Edit-Just reread it , you mean for Wilders system. It must be said that was largely down to Wilders stubbornness though not the quality of the signin.

Edit 2- Mowatt played 28 times for us, that’s not barely played. He was decent second half of the season too.
 
Nano said:
We didn't only bring 5 players in and there were some very poor signings in there. Don't forget that we were recruiting for a Wilder team not a Carrick team so you can only judge them on their suitability for that system. Giles, Steffen and Lenihan were successes. Muniz, Hoppe, Mowatt, Forss weren't. Clarke was a failure because he didn't suit Wilder's system but I don't blame the recruitment team for his injury and he might be a decent player in a different setup so that one is neutral. Forss eventually became a winger which is certainly not what he was recruited for. 2 of those loans barely played. Hoppe was a lot of money for a player that wasn't good enough and we're already trying to get rid of. There was also Luongo who never featured and Roberts who we've already got rid of as well.

There is no way of legitimately viewing that transfer business as successful. It also took all of August for us to do that and as much as I dislike Wilder he was well within his rights to be annoyed. We spent a lot of time on targets we had no chance of getting and who I don't actually believe we ever had the finances available for judging on our transfer activity since then.
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I think we differ greatly in what we consider successful. Personally I think it's ludicrous to consider Forss a failure, and similarly ludicrous to consider a squad that got us up to fourth a failure.
 
No team has 100% positive record on transfers - in fact I would say if get over 50% right you are doing well.

Last season - Archer, Ramsey, Forss, Smith, Giles, Lenihan Steffan were successes

Failures - Hoppe, Muniz,

Not sure - Roberts, Clarke, Mowett

Even if Roberts and Mowett were put as failures thats 7-4 in favour of successes.
 
Redwurzel said:
No team has 100% positive record on transfers - in fact I would say if get over 50% right you are doing well.

Last season - Archer, Ramsey, Forss, Smith, Giles, Lenihan Steffan were successes

Failures - Hoppe, Muniz,

Not sure - Roberts, Clarke, Mowett

Even if Roberts and Mowett were put as failures thats 7-4 in favour of successes.
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Not necessarily. I said it all last season and I'll continue to say it but filling the first team with loan players is not good recruitment, even when those players are good and it works out like last season. It means the squad requires a major rebuild every season. It's very expensive and you get no financial benefit from improving other teams players. If you don't get promoted then you are back to square one with no assets and massive holes in the squad to fill.

Loans should be 1 or 2 players, to "complete the jigsaw", not be the spine of the team. It's even worse when the players aren't very good but you are forced to play them because it's in their loan contract.

It's been talked about that we are going down the Brentford model of recruitment/development but we're not committing to it. We're spending a fortune on PL loans and preventing our own player's from developing. That isn't anything like the Brentford model.

I'm not expecting big money signings. I'm happy with the cheap, young players we have bought and expect to see them develop over the next few years but we should have signed some prospects in the positions we are clearly lacking, even as back-ups. We shouldn't be trying to convert a winger to a striker or playing Coulson or McNair at fullback.
 
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