LaPennaBianca
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And another assertion while refusing to actually engage with anything I've said. Going to brag about how you got the 1974 election result right?
If you're what qualifies as clued up, then call me Alicia Silverstone.
606,000 - Net inward UK Migration 2022
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And another assertion while refusing to actually engage with anything I've said. Going to brag about how you got the 1974 election result right?
If you're what qualifies as clued up, then call me Alicia Silverstone.
Redwurzel
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Some employers would rather employ a person from overseas that say modify a workplace for someone with a disability or say risk (in the mind of the employer) employing someone who has suffered from depression in the past. 10% of the UK population have a disability, but most employers workforces are less than 2% disabled. In my opinion they should give more people in the UK a chance to work than import labour so readily. I also have a suspicion that there is age discrimination too i.e. some employer want to employ a 18 year old than employ a 55 year old plus resident in the UK. The 18 year can be paid below the Living Wage and tend not to answer back if bullied etc. The 18 year is also probably physically fitter.
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Redwurzel
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Arsed - this was going through my head when he was talking. Cleaners were awfully paid on the past and still lowly paid when you consider some have to work unsocial hours and need to use own transport to get to work (e.g own a car).
Redwurzel
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I agree more EU Nationals are leaving the UK then coming, but a decent number of EU Nationals still want to come. I have a major chicken factory near me which processes over 900,000 chickens a day. The vast majority of the production workers come from poorer areas of Poland, Lithuania, Lativa, Ukraine, Romania. Some of them were at school in June 2016.‘In 2022, net EU migration was -51,000. This means more EU nationals left the UK than arrived.’
Who is allowed to come to live in the UK?
Most people wanting to come to the UK need to apply via a points-based system.www.bbc.co.uk
locomansimon
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advertising for cleaners here at £12 ph, still cant get them.
Redwurzel
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Interesting - I would guess that is at Grosmont and Pickering.
I used to live near Grosmont in the 1970s and there was never a problem employing staff that I was aware of and a lot of the pay was poor. I was a teenager and lots of teenagers worked in the cafes and the shops and lived with their parents, close by. My guess is that some local working class folk have moved away and professional middle class families have moved in or retired to the area or local properties are now holiday lets run by families who used to be cleaners etc. Its also become a more expensive area to live in that in the 1970s, in relative terms. A £10k 2 bed cottage is now £300k, but wages are not 30 times higher. I got £1.10/hour working in a bar in 1980, cleaners would have been similar.
Unravel_Morrison
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That's correct. The next election will be based on how terrible the Tories have been and how they've further alienated people who might have voted for them and betrayed those who would've.
Unravel_Morrison
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What type of job would that be a consideration, Red? I can't think of any. I'm not hiring a 55 year old for a physically demanding job any more than I'm hiring an 18 year old for his experience.
The reality is .. it's not economically viable to drive , or public transport.. to a job in grosmont or most of rural north Yorkshire..
On minimum wage and/ or zero contract hours..
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That's not sustainable for the employee..
And it might mean that the business needs to reevaluate it's t&c for staff costs
Unravel_Morrison
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It would mean the business closes down.
Theres little point in looking at hourly rates based on inflation. As Red points out, housing inflation has gone up by 300%, minimal wages by 1000% and actual price inflation by around 400% in those 40 years.
Boro
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Sorry I haven't read all the comments & bickering above but was interested in this and what made it up.
The breakdown This is a good summary which to me shows it's a surge after covid. The same pattern in Australia where here we expect 400k this year (with a population of only 27m).
Study visas the majority (huge money spinner for economy so how do you turn that off?)
Work visas the majority of this being for huge NHS shortages, health and care (needed? Looks like contributing to health services rather than draining them)
Humanitarian - surge from special arrangements for Ukraine, Afghanistan and Hong Kong - I guess there'll always be a war somewhere, avoid them / stay out of them and you won't feel obliged to mop up.
Anyway the point is that the usual hand wringing about boats and family dependants from politicians isn't really justified in looking at the facts. Obviously western countries are cashing in on foreign students which is questionable at such scale given it relies on people coming in and making a life. Many in Australia stay after their courses and probably the same in Britain - would be interesting to see the numbers on that...
The breakdown This is a good summary which to me shows it's a surge after covid. The same pattern in Australia where here we expect 400k this year (with a population of only 27m).
Study visas the majority (huge money spinner for economy so how do you turn that off?)
Work visas the majority of this being for huge NHS shortages, health and care (needed? Looks like contributing to health services rather than draining them)
Humanitarian - surge from special arrangements for Ukraine, Afghanistan and Hong Kong - I guess there'll always be a war somewhere, avoid them / stay out of them and you won't feel obliged to mop up.
Anyway the point is that the usual hand wringing about boats and family dependants from politicians isn't really justified in looking at the facts. Obviously western countries are cashing in on foreign students which is questionable at such scale given it relies on people coming in and making a life. Many in Australia stay after their courses and probably the same in Britain - would be interesting to see the numbers on that...
locomansimon
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I actually live in Whitby now and the staff situation is chronic, my old 2 bed in Grosmont is on sale at170.
r00fie1
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Do they still have that really rude landlord in the Station Tavern at Grosmont?
Read some really bad reports.
festa5
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exiledinboro
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That’s why I don’t waste my time with you Festa... or NYBoro, Exfootylegs and Sherlock
Brexit has broken quite a lot of people brains. That’s why you’re not worth bothering with
But take it easy
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Laughing
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If you look into the figures the vast majority are student visa. One of the few exports we have left. There is also a reasonable percentage that are returning british nationals.
More worrying is Jenricks comments on why the tories are refusing to process asylum seekers.
The concern here isn't the numbers, it's the appalling human rights violations perpetrated by our government.
More worrying is Jenricks comments on why the tories are refusing to process asylum seekers.
The concern here isn't the numbers, it's the appalling human rights violations perpetrated by our government.