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To be fair and I say this a Labour voter that is pretty damning as look at the complete and utter shambles we have in power how they have mis handled this and other crises.

it makes you wonder just what boris has to do to lose the mass support of the nation.
 
Zorro, I think you misunderstand the position Labour were in after the election in December. The swing you see above has never happened in my living memory and I don't expect it to happen again.

A 20 point swing in 9 months is absolutely huge and most political commentators were't expecting Labour to catch the tories until late next year, if at all. Do you recall statements like "That's Labour done for the next 2 decades!" and similar.

Do not underestimate the swing you have seen it is huge and significant.

If there was an election tomorrow Labour would walk it, brexit or no. Lots of people will double down on their decision at the last election rather than face the stark reality of what they have done. When it comes to placing your cross, in secret on a ballot paper, that 40/40 split would go Labours way.
 
Zorro, I think you misunderstand the position Labour were in after the election in December. The swing you see above has never happened in my living memory and I don't expect it to happen again.

A 20 point swing in 9 months is absolutely huge and most political commentators were't expecting Labour to catch the tories until late next year, if at all. Do you recall statements like "That's Labour done for the next 2 decades!" and similar.

Do not underestimate the swing you have seen it is huge and significant.

If there was an election tomorrow Labour would walk it, brexit or no. Lots of people will double down on their decision at the last election rather than face the stark reality of what they have done. When it comes to placing your cross, in secret on a ballot paper, that 40/40 split would go Labours way.
No I get that and it’s clear starmer has turned the party around I’m just highlighting how difficult it is to unseat a sitting pm as even now with all that we know it’s still so close.
 
That's voting intentions.

Government disapproval is on the rise and you would expect this to filter through to voting intentions at some point.

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What’s more interesting is that at times of national crisis, support for the incumbent government tends to increase markedly.

Taking that into account, if the same were true here, the reality could be a strong Labour lead.
 
CtC I believe that that is largely due to bias and isn't necessarily true. People do tend, at some level or another, to stick to their guns in the face of counter evidence. I wonder how many of the 31% are just plain old stubborn, and if push came to shove, would they vote Johnson in again, who knows. Polls indicate what people are prepared to voice aloud, not necessarily what they are actually thinking.
 
It shows an astounding level of support for Johnson given his performance, and a massive mistrust of Labour in key areas.

I think there is still a large element of people who picked a side and not wanting to admit they were wrong.
 
To be fair and I say this a Labour voter that is pretty damning as look at the complete and utter shambles we have in power how they have mis handled this and other crises.

it makes you wonder just what boris has to do to lose the mass support of the nation.
Mess up brexit
 
It shows an astounding level of support for Johnson given his performance, and a massive mistrust of Labour in key areas.

I think there is still a large element of people who picked a side and not wanting to admit they were wrong.
Totally agree with this. Almost like it doesn’t matter what they do I’ve picked my side and I don’t care. It’s crazy.
 
Zorro, I think you misunderstand the position Labour were in after the election in December. The swing you see above has never happened in my living memory and I don't expect it to happen again.

A 20 point swing in 9 months is absolutely huge and most political commentators were't expecting Labour to catch the tories until late next year, if at all. Do you recall statements like "That's Labour done for the next 2 decades!" and similar.

Do not underestimate the swing you have seen it is huge and significant.

If there was an election tomorrow Labour would walk it, brexit or no. Lots of people will double down on their decision at the last election rather than face the stark reality of what they have done. When it comes to placing your cross, in secret on a ballot paper, that 40/40 split would go Labours way.
I don’t agree labour would walk it, too many people wanted brexit and while that is still on the table to come out then the tories would continue to win
 
Zorro, I think you misunderstand the position Labour were in after the election in December. The swing you see above has never happened in my living memory and I don't expect it to happen again.

A 20 point swing in 9 months is absolutely huge and most political commentators were't expecting Labour to catch the tories until late next year, if at all. Do you recall statements like "That's Labour done for the next 2 decades!" and similar.

Do not underestimate the swing you have seen it is huge and significant.

If there was an election tomorrow Labour would walk it, brexit or no. Lots of people will double down on their decision at the last election rather than face the stark reality of what they have done. When it comes to placing your cross, in secret on a ballot paper, that 40/40 split would go Labours way.
I don’t agree labour would walk it, too many people wanted brexit and while that is still on the table to come out then the tories would continue to win
 
To be fair and I say this a Labour voter that is pretty damning as look at the complete and utter shambles we have in power how they have mis handled this and other crises.

it makes you wonder just what boris has to do to lose the mass support of the nation.
The trouble is zorro, that with the electorate becoming so polarised due to Brexit, people who support Johnson due to him “Getting Brexit Done” rather than the Tory Party itself, would still support him if he was killing babies!
 
Not sure Gaz, the vote for brexit was tight and some will have changed their minds. The nationalist, racists who are afraid of immigrants would still want out of the EU. Those who voted for other reasons, whilst a minority, would sway the decision if there were a referendum tomorrow. That said some people would still vote tory who wanted to remain in the EU, so it is difficult to know how an election would go. I believe enough brexiteers are fed up with the brexit shenanigans that Labour would walk an election, but I may be very wrong.
 
Labour winning a GE is pretty much impossible without Scotland voting for them - and that looks very unlikely at the moment

Too much of 'Middle England' is Tory for Labour to win with English votes alone
 
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