TeessideCleveland
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Also 'I've got no interest in politics' , but post mainly about politics just after joining a football messageboard - and 'they're all the same'
letter from simon clarke today
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Redwurzel
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I agree losing Berwick Hills (natural Labour) in cancelled out by losing Saltburn (natural Conservative).
East Cleveland and SE Middlesbrough always Labour wasn't it from 1987 to 2017?
Ignoring what ten ten said though, which I pointed out said none of that, also it was factually correct.
Not even a new poster but tagged as one due to number of posts, don’t understand it… all boro fans surely that is most important thing
Unravel_Morrison
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No, although it's one of those that's changed over the years.
For a period it was Langbaurgh and there have been both Labour and Tory MPs since all the old unitary councils were abolished.
festa5
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Tenten said:
"Can it be electioneering if an election hasn't been called ?"
It wasn't a statement, it was a question. So how can it be factually correct?
Assuming you think he wrote "you can't be electioneering if an election isn't called" then that also isn't factually correct anyway. In fact the rule is that the stationary cant be used for party political campaigning. You can do that whether an election is called or not.
I don't think Tenten is a Tory shill.
I'm beginning to think you are.
Well the young letter wasn't party political campaigning, thats kind of my point.... therefore it doesn't break the rules set out, which was being suggested.
I have no idea if the Clarke one is campaigning, I have not seen it.
Sorry if you don't take kindly to the truth being pointed out, the same will happen under Labour in 4 years time, at which time I would again point out that said MP isn't breaking the rules.
Care to point out what the definition of a "tory shill" is - I'd love to know, it seems to get banded around a lot. Is it any different to a Labour shill, Lib Dem shill or a Green shill or do they not exist?
SmallTown
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You know
TheLodger
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Possibly under point 3 looking at the above, I'm guessing a range of issues, can also include only 1, i.e Teesworks in the Young letter.
I stand by the point it wasn't campaigning or electioneering, though it clearly is that but without saying it, therefore gets a pass but I hadn't see the other bullets, which I think probably breaks bullet 3, no idea on the Clarke one as I haven't seen it
I don't think the envelopes were pre paid, but I guess headed paper would be classed as stationary
Well I don't hence why I asked, although you seem to call all new posters it so hopefully you can shed some insight
ThePrisoner
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Like taxes, rules are for the little people.
TheLodger
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jam69
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You joined just to say that?
SmallTown
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So “Tory shill” boy am I now a Lib Dem one, as it seems their mayoral candidate has said almost exactly same as me
Lib Dem mayoral candidate questions letter writing interventions from Tory MPs
Simon Thorley admits they haven't broken any rules but claims the motivation behind the letters was clear
www.gazettelive.co.uk
A Tees Valley mayoral candidate says letters recently sent out to constituents by local Conservative MPs praising progress on economic regeneration “skirt close to the line” of what is appropriate.
Mr Thorley said: “They haven’t broken any rules - my understanding is that MPs are allowed to send out communications to their constituents once a year on official headed House of Commons note paper with the postage paid for. They have also been careful not to mention Ben Houchen, or the Tees Valley mayoral election. However it’s clear that the Conservatives are resorting to somewhat desperate tactics to boost Mr Houchen’s chances of re-election. They [the letters] skirt very close to the line of what is appropriate.”
Same to you as per above
TheLodger
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That's just a blokes opinion, people have asked the Parliamentary authorities for their opinion, once they have given their verdict then we will know.So “Tory shill” boy am I now a Lib Dem one, as it seems their mayoral candidate has said almost exactly same as me
Lib Dem mayoral candidate questions letter writing interventions from Tory MPs
Simon Thorley admits they haven't broken any rules but claims the motivation behind the letters was clear
A Tees Valley mayoral candidate says letters recently sent out to constituents by local Conservative MPs praising progress on economic regeneration “skirt close to the line” of what is appropriate.
Mr Thorley said: “They haven’t broken any rules - my understanding is that MPs are allowed to send out communications to their constituents once a year on official headed House of Commons note paper with the postage paid for. They have also been careful not to mention Ben Houchen, or the Tees Valley mayoral election. However it’s clear that the Conservatives are resorting to somewhat desperate tactics to boost Mr Houchen’s chances of re-election. They [the letters] skirt very close to the line of what is appropriate.”
Yes and his opinion was the same as mine, I’m called a Tory shill for doing so am I now a Lib Dem one? Or is the Lib Dem a Tory?
That’s good and when they do we can judge, if they state they’ve broken the rules I’ll happily support that, not sure I’ll get much back from some others if decide they haven’t
SmallTown
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We shall see