YouGov Poll - 33 Point lead!

Laughing said:
Who was it that said sunak would make 1pt per month right up to the election?

The Tories are below where they were with truss now.
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Post 237 is your reply. Strangely enough, what you quoted doesn't exist.

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Laughing said:
Starmer, low profile? Are you sure about that? There is a vote in parliament tomorrow on maintaining the tripe lock on pensions. It has been done specifically to force tory MP's to nail their colours to the mast, instead of waiting for the entire budget where MP's can hide behind parts of that budget.

Starmer is many things, and I don't particularly like him, but without him Johnson would have lasted longer, as would have truss.

On polling.. You really are misinterpreting them and their direction of travel. Sunaks starting position from the initial bounce, should be where Truss started from. The fact he hasn't managed to do that and the impact of his budget suggests your talking nonsense around polling.
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Laughing said:
I had no idea the up arrow did that.

The quote in my reply may have been amended or deleted I suppose.
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Most of exiled's posts in this thread mysterious deleted themselves about the same time I reminded him of what he previously predicted.

*edit* Here's the flounce in all it's glory...

exiledinboro said:
I asked Rob to delete my account as I don’t want anything to do with his pro war propaganda and can’t be bothered anymore reading the EU trolls In 2023 like NYBoro, CardifDaffs, LaPenbianca, who don’t even live within 250 miles of here yet constantly belittle the voters here
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Laughing said:
I had no idea the up arrow did that.

The quote in my reply may have been amended or deleted I suppose.
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The quote in your reply is exactly what you quoted at the time - it can only be edited by you.

The up-arrow link to the post doesn't work as exiled's profile no longer exists.
 
The poll comes as Labour today claims that a clear majority of 2019 Tories (61%, according to its own polling) now support its plan for a new state run company, Great British Energy, which it says would secure the country’s energy independence and bring down prices.
This was Corbyns plan too. This would have been ran in competition to the other energy companies as well as nationalise railways when their franchises ended so there was no cost to the tax payer. He was also going to nationalise the water companies. Even Bumface would have voted for these policies.
 
Trug said:
The poll comes as Labour today claims that a clear majority of 2019 Tories (61%, according to its own polling) now support its plan for a new state run company, Great British Energy, which it says would secure the country’s energy independence and bring down prices.
This was Corbyns plan too. This would have been ran in competition to the other energy companies as well as nationalise railways when their franchises ended so there was no cost to the tax payer. He was also going to nationalise the water companies. Even Bumface would have voted for these policies.
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I did. Twice.
 
Trug said:
The poll comes as Labour today claims that a clear majority of 2019 Tories (61%, according to its own polling) now support its plan for a new state run company, Great British Energy, which it says would secure the country’s energy independence and bring down prices.
This was Corbyns plan too. This would have been ran in competition to the other energy companies as well as nationalise railways when their franchises ended so there was no cost to the tax payer. He was also going to nationalise the water companies. Even Bumface would have voted for these policies.
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Not quite right. The policy when Corbyn was leader (and when Starmer was campaigning to be leader) was nationalisation. With GB Energy the policy is for the state to pay for green energy infrastructure but for private companies to still be the ones that sell the energy. So it might bring down prices. We'll have to find out altruistic/greedy the energy companies are.

Rather than mirroring Corbyn's policy for energy nationalisation its closer to what the tories did last year with Great British Nuclear.

Having said all that, I'll agree its better than doing nothing. I know some will really buy into the idea of the market fixing everything but for me you simply can't rely on private companies to spend the money to build up infrastructure quickly enough to make any difference with climate.

It just sticks in the craw a bit that the plan from the outset is the state pays a load of money to build stuff only to hand it all over to private companies for a song. It's bad enough when it's traditionally been Labour building, tories giving away to their mates, but this doesn't even need the nasty party to get back in.
 
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SuperStu said:
Not quite right. The policy when Corbyn was leader (and when Starmer was campaigning to be leader) was nationalisation. With GB Energy the policy is for the state to pay for green energy infrastructure but for private companies to still be the ones that sell the energy. So it might bring down prices. We'll have to find out altruistic/greedy the energy companies are.

Rather than mirroring Corbyn's policy for energy nationalisation its closer to what the tories did last year with Great British Nuclear.

Having said all that, I'll agree its better than doing nothing. I know some will really buy into the idea of the market fixing everything but for me you simply can't rely on private companies to spend the money to build up infrastructure quickly enough to make any difference with climate.

It just sticks in the craw a bit that the plan from the outset is the state pays a load of money to build stuff only to hand it all over to private companies for a song. It's bad enough when it's traditionally been Labour building, tories giving away to their mates, but this doesn't even need the nasty party to get back in.
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The problem is finance though isn’t it? Any government has to rely on private finance to invest in infrastructure, the sums involved in decarbonisation are just too large.
 
HolgateCorner said:
The problem is finance though isn’t it? Any government has to rely on private finance to invest in infrastructure, the sums involved in decarbonisation are just too large.
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No. Any governement can stop pretending we're in hock to private financiers and run the country in favour of the majority.

They can't even use the excuse (lie) of the EU blocking investment like they did with the Teesside Steel Industry.

Create funding for the large infrastructure and the economy benefits. Curb any excess with general and more targeted (where necessary) taxation.
 
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