Have the club let Carrick down?

Carrick mentioned in January that we'd only be signing players if the club felt confident that they were definitely going to be the right fit.

To me, that statement all but confirmed that we were unlikely to sign a striker in January.

We can't say for certain whether Carrick truly believed that was the right strategy or not, but if he'd come out to the media and said "The club don't have any intention of signing a striker this window, which I'm disappointed about", it's obviously then going to lead to frictions within the club.

It was the beginning of the end for Karanka when he publicly criticised the club's January transfer dealings.
 
There has been mistakes in recruitment and there have been mistakes in managing what we have, but the injury list has been the worst I can ever remember - yesterday

Lenihan
Fry
Smith
Hackney
Howson
Jones
Coburn
Bangura
Hoppe
Latte Lath (not fit enough to start)

Critically 7 of those would be probably in my first choice starting 11. Ok normally you would expect a few injuries maybe 2 key injuries and 2 others.

Dieng would have been too, but that appears a managment decision to not play him now.
 
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Jedi boro said:
What was amazing about losing a key player for buttons ( in prem terms).
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We paid £1m for a player who hadn’t done very much in his career, he started very slowly (was given loads of stick on here) he started to improve with game time and showed promise. We’re potentially making 1200% on our investment selling him, like the Crooks deal it was too good to turn down.
 
Quicksilvera said:
We paid £1m for a player who hadn’t done very much in his career, he started very slowly (was given loads of stick on here) he started to improve with game time and showed promise. We’re potentially making 1200% on our investment selling him, like the Crooks deal it was too good to turn down.
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Are we a football club? If the answer is yes then we should be keeping players more than 6 months regardless of how much money we get for them.
 
dooderooni said:
The Rogers sale was the biggest tell about our future business for me. Yes, we made a profit, but he had been here only 6 months and was showing signs that he was developing nicely. To cash in on him like we did was a signal that money is needed more than talent. He'd have still been a saleable asset come summer and we'd have got the rest of the season out of him to boot. No point developing players if we let them go at first sign of interest and don't actually see them pay off on the field.
I hope I'm wrong, but this new approach seems designed to keep the club afloat first and foremost and any success on the pitch will be entirely dependent on getting lucky in the market more than it will come from buying better players than what we already have.
I think this summer will test the patience of the fan base even more than last.
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The Rogers one is a really strange one all round for me - he looked poor August, September and October - did manage his first league goal at the end of October as a sub, November again bit parts, December started to look like improved player, but everyone even In January did not consider him a first 11 player if our best players were available. And everyone was shocked when Villa started bidding serious money for him. No other clubs seemed interested neither. I have never known someone bid up £16m for a Championship squad player that was bought 6 months earlier for £1.2m. Villa have only played him at the end of league games for few minutes so far. I think alot of Villa fans were puzzled too. In a perfect world I would have sold him and loaned him back.
 
Jedi boro said:
Exactly let’s sell all our players and put it all in the bank be great then.
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Nobody is saying that Jedi, sometimes you get an offer that’s too good to turn down.


dooderooni said:
Are we a football club? If the answer is yes then we should be keeping players more than 6 months regardless of how much money we get for them.
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As above sometimes you get a daft offer that you can’t turn your nose up at.
 
If we eventually get the full £16m then that tells me that we've sold him too early and not had the benefit of him playing for us. Even if we don't get the other £8m that only tells us that it didn't work out at Villa. A bit like Giles really going to Luton, brilliant at our level despite being exposed at PL level.
If we splash the Tav, Spence, Chuba, Rogers and Crooks cash in the summer and buy some quality then I'll happily come back and say I was wrong and cashing in on Rogers was a masterstroke and we are stronger for it.
 
dooderooni said:
If we eventually get the full £16m then that tells me that we've sold him too early and not had the benefit of him playing for us. Even if we don't get the other £8m that only tells us that it didn't work out at Villa. A bit like Giles really going to Luton, brilliant at our level despite being exposed at PL level.
If we splash the Tav, Spence, Chuba, Rogers and Crooks cash in the summer and buy some quality then I'll happily come back and say I was wrong and cashing in on Rogers was a masterstroke and we are stronger for it.
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Yeah, if we get the extra £8m it will feel slightly bittersweet. Great to have the money, but it will mean that Rogers will be performing well for Villa, and that we've sold a player who could have contributed so much more here had he stayed.

Of course it's whether or not the club would reinvest the money wisely. I think we have to accept that when PL clubs show an interest in our players, it's going to be difficult keeping hold of them. The club are up against it in that respect, but it's vital that if we're to make a decent profit on these development players, we spend that money wisely. Need to find more VDB's and Rogers, rather than Hoppes etc.
 
Jedi boro said:
Yes like carvalho and more but yes nothing available

Btw both walk into this side.
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Imagine if we’d have signed Carvalho and Kiefer Moore. We were crying out for a striker and attacking midfielder and instead we didn’t get a striker, signed a very average attacking midfielder and let two better ones go. The players were available in January, but we had zero interest in signing any of them.
 
This season felt like we’d been taken for a ride by the management, almost like going into a restaurant ordering a 5 course dinner but end up with leftovers which had been partially eaten. I feel sorry for the season ticket holders who have invested the time and effort to drive to the stadium only to get a substandard offering. I’d like MC to stay as I feel he has a lot more to offer if we get better luck with injuries and signings but that’s a very big “IF”.
 
I honestly don’t know where the expectation came from this season. Anyone who had any idea of perspective knew that this season was a transition. Losing what we did, being financially limited on what we could bring in. Naturally needing to sell when bids come in and player’s heads are turned. That’s what happens when you are a team like Boro.

Carrick will have known that from the start and the club has a clear policy on recruitment. He is doing a good job with the resources we find ourselves with and the horrendous injury list we have. At the start of the season I said we had a mid-table squad and that’s where we are and we got to a league cup semi-final. Let’s not lose our heads when everything starts to tail off.

There will be individual tactical stuff that we find frustrating. But we need tactical consistency to support the recruitment model. Let’s support the lads and get the season completed. We need a good rebuild in the summer, but that won’t mean miracles either!
 
I think this a good point re: perspective.

With the players we lost in the summer, and the sheer volume of injuries we’ve had this season, it’s easy to underestimate what a good job Carrick has done.

Let’s not forget, even before the additions of Archer and Ramsey last Jan, we were absolutely flying last season under Carrick with the same group of players that Wilder was getting nothing out of.
 
DidsburySmog92 said:
That’s what happens when you are a team like Boro.
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no other club club sold an asset 6 months after buying them and transition means development so how does selling a key asset for that picture.

Did sunlun sell Clarke or Bellingham no so if they can keep assets we can.
 
There is a difference in that Clarke and Bellingham are regulars for Sunderland.

Rogers was not a regular for us. It took him almost 3 months to get a league goal and he was bought as a goal scorer.
 
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