Shocking decisions, both for Liverpool's Salah goal, and the 'offside' goal that Wolves scored. The rules just don't make sense.
As above. Salah was on side. On the Wolves disallowed goal, the lines person was in line with the corner taker when the ball was returned to him after taking the corner. He gave him offside and I haven’t seen anything to say he was wrong?
I still cannot understand how a competition can be played where some games have VAR and some don't.
It’s a complete shamblesShocking decisions, both for Liverpool's Salah goal, and the 'offside' goal that Wolves scored. The rules just don't make sense.
Liverpool's goal should have been disallowed.
They've done so repeatedly this season for similar situations.
That's a refereeing and VAR failure.
It's the rules that need changing, nothing to do with VAR.
According to the rules, that was a deliberate attempt to play the ball meaning Salah was onside.
I don't agree with that rule because Salah's position makes him play the ball, but nevertheless, it's the current rules and nothing to do with VAR.
That shouldn't have been a factor because Salah was interfering with play in an offside position.
The exact same reason was used to disallow France's late equaliser against Tunisia at the World Cup.
You don't have to touch the ball to be commiting an offside offence.
The referees got it wrong.
That interpretation is not the rules though, the rules are clear, as soon as Toti made a deliberate attempt to play the ball, Salah became onside.
The rule is wrong and ridiculous but the officials got it right according to the rules.
Your frustration is in the wrong place.
Standing right behind him in an offside position was clearly impacting the ability of Toti to play the ball.
- making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball
Salah isn't there, he probably doesn't head it, Salah doesn't score.
Either way, it's something that IFAB need to address.
It's been a ridiculous loophole for too long, even when we've benefited from it.
Just had a quick look at the highlights on the BBC and I don't think I've ever seen a decision like that given before. To address those points.‘Deliberate play’ is when a player has control of the ball with the possibility of:
- passing the ball to a team-mate; or
- gaining possession of the ball; or
- clearing the ball (e.g. by kicking or heading it).
Toti was never in control of the ball. I'd say on 4 of those 5 criteria (excepting the first - he has a clear view of it) the ball was moving quickly, he had to react to a ball coming quickly he only had time to jump and make partial contact with the ball which was in the air.The following criteria should be used, as appropriate, as indicators that a player was in control of the ball and, as a result, ‘deliberately played’ the ball:
- The ball travelled from distance and the player had a clear view of it
- The ball was not moving quickly
- The direction of the ball was not unexpected
- The player had time to coordinate their body movement, i.e. it was not a case of instinctive stretching or jumping, or a movement that achieved limited contact/control
- A ball moving on the ground is easier to play than a ball in the air"
Just had a quick look at the highlights on the BBC and I don't think I've ever seen a decision like that given before. To address those points.
1. He isn't passing the ball to a teammate
2. He does not gain possession of the ball
3. He does not clear the ball
Compare that to the first Wolves goal where Allison passes the ball to a Wolves player clearly in an offside position.
Toti was never in control of the ball. I'd say on 4 of those 5 criteria (excepting the first - he has a clear view of it) the ball was moving quickly, he had to react to a ball coming quickly he only had time to jump and make partial contact with the ball which was in the air.
Absolute garbage decision.
And I'm struggling to see how the Wolves third is ruled off?
Good old VAR what a pile of shight it really is.
Because it describes a two stage process. How can you describe the actions of Toti as "deliberate play"? Helpfully explained as "when a player has control of the ball with the possibility of; passing the ball to a team-mate; or gaining possession of the ball; or clearing the ball - he doesn't pass the ball to a teammate, he doesn't have possession of the ball and he doesn't clear the ball!Why split up the rules I quoted? It removes the context.
Because it describes a two stage process. How can you describe the actions of Toti as "deliberate play"? Helpfully explained as "when a player has control of the ball with the possibility of; passing the ball to a team-mate; or gaining possession of the ball; or clearing the ball - he doesn't pass the ball to a teammate, he doesn't have possession of the ball and he doesn't clear the ball!
The five guidelines afterwards are to explain how you assess the actions of the player. Ignoring VAR for the moment I cannot understand how the referee has interpreted Toti's action as "deliberate play"? The only one of the guidelines of how to assess "deliberate play" that might possibly apply is the fact that he has a clear view of the ball in flight. Literal interpretation of that law would mean that any defender attempting to intercept a ball played towards a player in an offside position runs the risk of playing that player onside and I don't think that is the intention of the rule? If the ball had struck Toti on his arrse and gone through to Salah would it have been offside?
So, IMO, that is the referee making a bad decision. The role of VAR as it was sold to us was to correct glaring refereeing errors. Therefore VAR once again has made a nonsense of the game. The Wolves "third" is one where I suppose you have to say that that was a possible error by linesman which VAR couldn't overrule?
What a complete bag of shight VAR is. And to make it worse no one in the stadium would have had a clue what was going on because in the FA cup nothing is shown on the big telly by way of explanation.