US medical costs

Expat Smoggie

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Before Christmas I had an ear infection, so I went to the medical unit, after making an appointment.

At the medical unit they performed some basics as well as cleaning my ear out with a syringe flush. Today I received the bill — $467. Thankfully I have medically insurance so I only got charged $6. I have to say medical costs in the US, especially in California are just sickening.
 
Its mad that we could consider a model like that cost effective.

I'm sure as taxpayers they pay 14% GDP to healthcare versus our 8% while they then have additional insurance on top.

A lot of people getting rich in that system and none are patients or healthcare professionals.
 
The worst thing is it’s like they charge whatever they want. There’s no quote system— ie I can’t ask how much will it cost, it’s just a simple “do you have insurance?” If not then sometimes they’ll give you an approximation but more than likely they’ll just ask you to come back when you do.

I also had a friend who just had a cataract operation where she was charged $50k, and even though the insurance picked up most of it again the doctors and hospitals just seem to charge whatever they want.
 
The worst thing is it’s like they charge whatever they want. There’s no quote system— ie I can’t ask how much will it cost, it’s just a simple “do you have insurance?” If not then sometimes they’ll give you an approximation but more than likely they’ll just ask you to come back when you do.

I also had a friend who just had a cataract operation where she was charged $50k, and even though the insurance picked up most of it again the doctors and hospitals just seem to charge whatever they want.
Sounds a bit a like Vets in this country now.
 
Before Christmas I had an ear infection, so I went to the medical unit, after making an appointment.

At the medical unit they performed some basics as well as cleaning my ear out with a syringe flush. Today I received the bill — $467. Thankfully I have medically insurance so I only got charged $6. I have to say medical costs in the US, especially in California are just sickening.
Out of interest how much is you medical insurance per annum? I’m guessing this varies pending on previous issues?
 
The US spends one of the highest (2nd) amounts in the world on healthcare at 16.77% of GDP. We're 20th at 10.15%.


They also have worse outcomes (lower cancer survival etc).
 
If it's non emergency treatment in the US then you can get quotes for what you want done. Cataract ops are $3k to $5k per eye, depending on whether you have corrective lenses put in. That's pretty much the same as private cataract treatment in the UK. I have no idea why someone would be charged so much unless there were complications aplenty and general anaesthesia was involved for two eyes.

Medical insurance picks up most bills, with a deductible, but it does work well for most people most of the time.

Could it be better? Yes. Would most people in the US want a NHS type system? No.
 
Before Christmas I had an ear infection, so I went to the medical unit, after making an appointment.

At the medical unit they performed some basics as well as cleaning my ear out with a syringe flush. Today I received the bill — $467. Thankfully I have medically insurance so I only got charged $6. I have to say medical costs in the US, especially in California are just sickening.

I had to have a shoulder replacement after a skiing accident, which involved three major surgeries in a month. Some of the numbers quoted on the bills were eye watering, with the whole thing "costing" over a million dollars. The daft thing is those numbers quoted on your bills are essentially meaningless and the start of a negotiation between your insurance provider and the health care provider, and the actual amount paid is somewhat less.

Add in the complexity around co-pays, deductibles and who pays what when, and it's a pretty complicated process. I reckon it still cost me personally over £100k, but a lot of that was due to my wife insisting that any bill we received was paid instantly rather than waiting for the final demand which apparently is often heavily reduced further.

The thing that got me was the lack of actual patient care, until you can stump up the cash. A real exchange after I'd been taken down the mountain in a blood wagon in agony:-

Nurse (standing over the other side of the room, and in a surly voice after hearing my UK accent):- "we dont take travel insurance so you'll need to present a valid credit card before we can go ahead"

Me:- "I actually live in the US, and so have health insurance"

Nurse (Now rushing over with a pair of scissors to cut off my T-shirt):- "Oh why didn't you say honey, let's see what we can do for you"

The change in their attitude when I confirmed they'd get their money was remarkable.
 
EMTALA ensures you get emergency treatment whether you can pay or not. Sorry about your shoulder but these stories about nurses standing over you until you produce a credit card are apocryphal.
 
EMTALA ensures you get emergency treatment whether you can pay or not. Sorry about your shoulder but these stories about nurses standing over you until you produce a credit card are apocryphal.
So you're saying I'm lying about what happened, to me, in March 2018 in Heavenly, Lake Tahoe then ?

If you read correctly, she didn't stand over me until I produced a credit card, she stood over me until I confirmed I had health insurance. There's all sorts of loopholes in EMTALA (for example Medicare only hospitals) and I suspect a small local hospital used to dealing with skiing injuries is not the type of place to be particularly concerned with the administration that goes alongside it.
 
So you're saying I'm lying about what happened, to me, in March 2018 in Heavenly, Lake Tahoe then ?

If you read correctly, she didn't stand over me until I produced a credit card, she stood over me until I confirmed I had health insurance. There's all sorts of loopholes in EMTALA (for example Medicare only hospitals) and I suspect a small local hospital used to dealing with skiing injuries is not the type of place to be particularly concerned with the administration that goes alongside it.

No I said EMTALA gets you emergency treatment without insurance. I'm sure your shoulder was very painful, and I said I was sorry but it wasn't life threatening (at least I hope not, in which further apologies).

I hear apocryphal stories all the time about people having heart attacks or strokes or fits or babies and being denied medical help, but it's just not true.

Everyone gets emergency help in the US for free.
 
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Even accounting for the fact that the numbers they quote are just made up they are still out by a factor of 10 on what the true cost is. A good example is the bills you see where people are billed $60k for a normal delivery birth. In the UK that costs on average £3k (full cost of the delivery plus time in hospital).

If you want a rough estimate of how much it should cost it's about £400 per day to be in hospital, £18 per minute in theatre, £25 for a basic X-ray, £2 for a blood test. A&E is about £180, Minor injuries/Walk in is about £90.
 
My experience of US healthcare is all vicarious, but a tip often shared on Reddit is just asking for an itemised bill. It seems to have an effect of bringing down medical fees by hundreds if not thousands of dollars because as others above have said, the first prices are just numbers plucked from nowhere in particular.
 
That’s nothing I cut my head open a few years ago in Long Island visiting friends and one tetanus shot and 10 stitches later my bill was….

$1,300
 
I had to have a shoulder replacement after a skiing accident, which involved three major surgeries in a month. Some of the numbers quoted on the bills were eye watering, with the whole thing "costing" over a million dollars. The daft thing is those numbers quoted on your bills are essentially meaningless and the start of a negotiation between your insurance provider and the health care provider, and the actual amount paid is somewhat less.

Add in the complexity around co-pays, deductibles and who pays what when, and it's a pretty complicated process. I reckon it still cost me personally over £100k, but a lot of that was due to my wife insisting that any bill we received was paid instantly rather than waiting for the final demand which apparently is often heavily reduced further.

The thing that got me was the lack of actual patient care, until you can stump up the cash. A real exchange after I'd been taken down the mountain in a blood wagon in agony:-

Nurse (standing over the other side of the room, and in a surly voice after hearing my UK accent):- "we dont take travel insurance so you'll need to present a valid credit card before we can go ahead"

Me:- "I actually live in the US, and so have health insurance"

Nurse (Now rushing over with a pair of scissors to cut off my T-shirt):- "Oh why didn't you say honey, let's see what we can do for you"

The change in their attitude when I confirmed they'd get their money was remarkable.
It cost you personally $100k even though you had medical insurance? Wow 😲
 
That’s nothing I cut my head open a few years ago in Long Island visiting friends and one tetanus shot and 10 stitches later my bill was….

$1,300
As the advice above says, ask for an itemised bill and question why it's so much.

 
It's a very strange country with shabby health care. Of course the people don't want a decent health care system, for the same reason they feel the need to maintain a right to carry weapons. It's drilled into them from Day One.

Houston has one of the world's biggest medical centres. Whilst we were living there they also had volunteer teams from Europe flying in to provide health and dental care to the local people unable to buy themselves better.

Let's not use that country as an example to follow, they fail on just about every front for many.
 
No I said EMTALA gets you emergency treatment without insurance. I'm sure your shoulder was very painful, and I said I was sorry but it wasn't life threatening (at least I hope not, in which further apologies).

I hear apocryphal stories all the time about people having heart attacks or strokes or fits or babies and being denied medical help, but it's just not true.

Everyone gets emergency help in the US for free.

Ah, so a bit of confusion with your original post, but yes I agree they're not going to leave a stab victim lying in his own blood until he produces insurance.

I'd argue, certainly by UK standards, that my injury was an emergency (according to the surgeon my shoulder bone was "dust") but absolutely wasn't life threatening, but I was still surprised by the attitude of the nurse until I confirmed my insurance status.
 
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