Bernieslavenschin
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I mean objectively if you enter a competition and don't win, you've lost.
Or we getting the open bus out now for a Quarter final exit?
Or we getting the open bus out now for a Quarter final exit?
Did he win it though ? Let’s get serious about this. That ball wasn’t over the line and to this day the Germans laugh about it and at us saying, have it if you’re that desperate!Alf Ramsey is clearly head and shoulders above the rest as he won the world cup.
The media have always had it in for every manager including world cup winner Alf ramsey. Southgate has had it extremely easy compared to the dispicable personal attacks on sir bobby and Graham Taylor.I haven't said if the critics on this board are brainwashed or otherwise, so I'm not sure what relevance that comment of yours has?
I have simply stated the fact that right wing agitators have had it in for southgate, a good place to start in this debate would be your agreement or disagreement on this. Happy to find examples to prove it if you do disagree.
I've stated that many of the comments I hear, are the same comments I see from these agitators. We all know how it works, some people buy into it, then repeat it ad nauseum to their mates at the pub and it grows legs and replicates and becomes "the truth".
The idea that we have the greatest squad ever is not true, it's quite clear where the gaps in quality are and its quite clear that our better technical players are largely inexperienced and will be better players in 2-4 years.
The idea that southgate is a failure despite breaking all records other than trophies won, is obviously ludicrous, because every other manager bar Alf must be a bigger failure. It's disingenuous to claim our second most successful manager is a failure but that is what we hear on here.
The idea that losing a final to Italy is somehow worse than a manager who lost to Iceland, or got our golden generation knocked out of the world cup, or failed to qualify for '94 is an example of confirmation bias, that bias was seeded somewhere.
Football and football supporters have ALWAYS been influenced by their socio-politico environment, people do not live in a bubble. We have been through an incredibly Machiavellian decade where social media has been used to manipulate and pollute the conversation, where it has been utilised to divide and conquer. To pretend otherwise and think that somehow, football and football fans are immune to this simply isn't true. Some (not all) fans have been polluted by a view of southgate as a lefty, a supporter of BLM and LGBQT+ rights, and I'm afraid for some people Southgate could win back to back trophies and there would still be excuses.
At no point have I talked the B...t word, and I have never said ALL anti-southgate fans are rightwing nutjobs, but, I bet you most of the hardcore right hate southgate. To deny the influence of media and the socio-political culture we live in, seems like the easy option, pretending that football supporters live in a bubble and don't get upset at players taking the knee, or waving a pride flag is disingenuous, even if you don't personally feel that way
So you're saying the only way you'll concede that Southgate is doing a great job is if England actually win the World Cup.Please please flag this conversation if we win the world cup because I will love to proven wrong.
If you are desperate you’d be laughing at a brick wall like the Germans over 66. Likewise England don’t make a meal of what happened in 2010.Did he win it though ? Let’s get serious about this. That ball wasn’t over the line and to this day the Germans laugh about it and at us saying, have it if you’re that desperate!
Yeah that's what I'm saying.So you're saying the only way you'll concede that Southgate is doing a great job is if England actually win the World Cup.
You do realise how ridiculous a statement that is, don't you?
Personally, I think he is scared against better teams. He won't attack for fear of being beaten but our attack is our strength. We're poor at the back so he overloads midfield and defence against a dangerous side. He has Kane doing deep which means no outlet, nothing sticks and the opposition gets unlimited tries until they break us down. He would be better using our strength and taking the game to the opposition. We might not win them all. We could even get hammered but if we win one, and it's a final then it's worth it and it's better than always limply falling to defeat.
It is indeed your opinion, on that you are unquestionably correct. The rest of this post is twaddle however, from another new user unsurprisingly.I didn't even mention them other tournaments. Not worth mentioning for more reasons than one.
Think you all taking what I'm saying way too much to heart.
I'm just saying he's not a great manager. We would of got the euro final with that run we had and the players we had with anybody in charge. My opinion of course.
I'd agree with Panama, about as good as Derby County at a push when they faced us.Well I was being a bit facetious, and you're right the wins over Panama and Iran won't count for much.
The appearances in the semis and final will though.
That sentence in bold is about playing attacking football. Attacking gives us a chance to score. I.e. if we attack we might win. The pragmatic (which is a fancy way of saying overly negative) means we won't win but we might not lose.You make it sound like we've been played off the park the last two tournaments. We've lost a shootout and by a single goal in extra time. The sentence I've bolded is probably exactly Southgates justification for setting up the way he does.
Through to the next round. Hasn’t always been guaranteed in the past.
Some people really took it bad when Allardyce was sacked.
One thing Southgate deserves massive credit for is getting the team to play to its level although being generally cautious in the big games. Too many times in the past, our performances against the weaker teams were woeful and we would just about scrape through despite not playing well. Our style is generally much better now and we try and pass the ball. France will be a big test. Let’s hope we give them a decent game. There’s no reason why we can‘t beat them.
No. We have beaten 2 pub teams and drawn against another. We also flattered Wales for 45 mins. I think we should more worried about Senegal than they will be about us.