Suella Braverman

Pembroke said:
The pathologizing is ugly. Braverman isn't displaying the opinions they want her to. The prejudice displayed to somebody from an ethnic background present could be mistaken for racism.
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I suggest you re-read the posts which contextualise the antipathy towards Braverman.

Braverman is entitled to her opinions but she is not entitled to be a serious, serial security breacher and be Home Secretary.

It now appears she lied on her CV to secure the role of Attorney General which again should disqualify her and anyone else who has done the same from high office.

As previously mentioned political dogma, gender, race nor class are relevant when it comes to the actions she has taken and how they should debar her from any Cabinet Ministerial role that is security sensitive.

The idea that anything beyond her ability and suitability to do the job properly is a consideration is quite distasteful and frankly it reflects badly on Braverman it seems the only counter offered in her defence isn't based on the matters in hand but at erroneous accusations of racism.

Why not deal with the points raised and enter proper debate instead of distraction and deflection based on a narrative of invented prejudice ?
 
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American_Mary said:
I suggest you re-read the posts which contextualise the antipathy towards Braverman.

Braverman is entitled to her opinions but she is not entitled to be a serious, serial security breacher and be Home Secretary.

It now appears she lied on her CV to secure the role of Attorney General which again should disqualify her and anyone else who has done the same from high office.

As previously mentioned political dogma, gender, race nor class are relevant when it comes to the actions she has taken and how they should debar her from any Cabinet Ministerial role that is security sensitive.

The idea that anything beyond her ability and suitability to do the job properly is a consideration is quite distasteful and frankly it reflects badly on Braverman it seems the only counter offered in her defence isn't based on the matters in hand but at erroneous accusations of racism.

Why not deal with the points raised and enter proper debate instead of distraction and deflection based on a narrative of invented prejudice ?
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I fear AM you are talking to a wall with these two posters Crusoe and his ”Man Friday” Pembroke - for all your great points. The irony is they talk about echo chambers but I suspect they live in a big one themselves.
 
jam69 said:
Crusoe is another horse out of the stable, this I think is only his 2nd run out despite his owner registering the name 18 months ago.
Expect the same performance as the rest of the stable with usual scooby-doo ending
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Very quickly decided it isn't worth 'debating' with them.

The amusing thing is you can imagine the self congratulatory slaps on the back as they are being 'so clever'.

As my final response to them said...dear me.
 
jam69 said:
Crusoe is another horse out of the stable, this I think is only his 2nd run out despite his owner registering the name 18 months ago.
Expect the same performance as the rest of the stable with usual scooby-doo ending
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He's clearly another account by one of the handful of tory apologists. I particularly liked his claim yesterday that the vast majority of the public backed Braverman up. When asked for evidence of this, they instead asked me for evidence to prove that people don't back her. That kind of intellectual dishonesty just turns me right off, can't be arsed with it, it's not clever, it's stupid, arrogant and childish, which is why they're now blocked.
 
Do you really think the vast majority of ordinary people are happy with hordes of Albanian males illegally entering the UK using the modern slavery act to allow them to stay? Then disappearing into some sort of black economy,often involved in crime rackets,paying no taxes ,but putting increased pressure on services such as education,NHS, housing etc. These people are not entitled to enter the country illegally. Why don’t they apply for a visa to come and stay and work in the UK legitimately. They are not asylum seekers. They are coming from a country that is in the process of accessing the EU and is a member of NATO. They are also paying thousands to vile people trafficking gangs. The ultimate irony of all of this is that many of them will end up in some form of modern slavery in the UK.
 
Crusoe said:
Do you really think the vast majority of ordinary people are happy with hordes of Albanian males illegally entering the UK using the modern slavery act to allow them to stay? Then disappearing into some sort of black economy,often involved in crime rackets,paying no taxes ,but putting increased pressure on services such as education,NHS, housing etc. These people are not entitled to enter the country illegally. Why don’t they apply for a visa to come and stay and work in the UK legitimately. They are not asylum seekers. They are coming from a country that is in the process of accessing the EU and is a member of NATO. They are also paying thousands to vile people trafficking gangs. The ultimate irony of all of this is that many of them will end up in some form of modern slavery in the UK.
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I almost, genuinely, pity you. You’ve fallen for the Tories and their culture wars lies. They know that demonising asylum seekers and using lies and stoking up anger against them is a good way to avoid scrutiny themselves. I see comments like yours above, filled with lies and reflecting the bigoted rhetoric of the government and feel sad. The country is failing people like you by manipulating you to hate a none existent threat.

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Crusoe said:
Do you really think the vast majority of ordinary people are happy with hordes of Albanian males illegally entering the UK using the modern slavery act to allow them to stay? Then disappearing into some sort of black economy,often involved in crime rackets,paying no taxes ,but putting increased pressure on services such as education,NHS, housing etc. These people are not entitled to enter the country illegally. Why don’t they apply for a visa to come and stay and work in the UK legitimately. They are not asylum seekers. They are coming from a country that is in the process of accessing the EU and is a member of NATO. They are also paying thousands to vile people trafficking gangs. The ultimate irony of all of this is that many of them will end up in some form of modern slavery in the UK.
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Who decides that individuals like those in your post are allowed to stay ?

Why have numbers increased recently ?

What measures do you think the Government have in place that will ameliorate this situation ?

Why do you think someone who is a proven security risk should be in charge of executing this policy ?

Do you think offering a remote option for asylum application would be helpful in reducing this issue ?

Why do you think such high percentage numbers of applicants are granted asylum in the UK ?

Why aren't the police being more proactive and arresting these people ?

My wife is a senior educationalist across the schools she manages, over 1000 pupils, she has 2 from resettled families do you think it's the 12% budgetary cuts that are stretching her resources or because of the 0.2% additional children that our immigration system has 'burdened' her ?
 
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Economic migrants for whatever their reason for entering the UK illegally have no right to be here. Don’t you agree?
 
Crusoe said:
Economic migrants for whatever their reason for entering the UK illegally have no right to be here. Don’t you agree?
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Please try and take in what we are trying to tell you. You’ve been whipped up into a fervour by propaganda ad violent government rhetoric. Please seek some facts. If only to calm your own, misplaced anger
 
Crusoe said:
Economic migrants for whatever their reason for entering the UK illegally have no right to be here. Don’t you agree?
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Whataboutery - who's discussing economic migrants? You're doing the usual daily heil, tory trick of conflating refugees with economic migrants. The majority arriving by small boat are refugees, as shown by the percentage ultimately granted refugee status.
 
NYboro said:
Whataboutery - who's discussing economic migrants? You're doing the usual daily heil, tory trick of conflating refugees with economic migrants. The majority arriving by small boat are refugees, as shown by the percentage ultimately granted refugee status.
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Yeah he’s clearly reading from their bigoted playbook. Why I’m trying to get him to think for himself. He’ll be a lot happier when he realises he’s been told to fear and hate something and that he doesn’t have to because there is nothing to fear. I hope he takes it in
 
Crusoe said:
Economic migrants for whatever their reason for entering the UK illegally have no right to be here. Don’t you agree?
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We need economic migrants and we ought to take in a fair share of asylum seekers on humanitarian grounds. Don’t you agree?
 
I might get accused of racism but I'm gonna say what I believe anyway.

People say that Braverman's race has nothing to do with the criticism but for me her race, or at least her background does matter.

As a woman of Asian descent her family have benefitted from the advantages of immigration and without a fair and tolerant immigration system her family and her would never have got here in the first place.

Its the same with Priti Patel who's grandparents were Indian immigrants I would expect people like her and Braverman to have more understanding and a better level of empathy for migrants that the average person.

Now they have benefitted from a system they want to pull the ladder away from anyone else wanting to better themselves and its all so they can pander to the far right in the this country.

And let's be honest most of the far right would want Patel and Braverman put on a plane to Rwanda if they had the choice.
 
Crusoe said:
Do you really think the vast majority of ordinary people are happy with hordes of Albanian males illegally entering the UK using the modern slavery act to allow them to stay? Then disappearing into some sort of black economy,often involved in crime rackets,paying no taxes ,but putting increased pressure on services such as education,NHS, housing etc. These people are not entitled to enter the country illegally. Why don’t they apply for a visa to come and stay and work in the UK legitimately. They are not asylum seekers. They are coming from a country that is in the process of accessing the EU and is a member of NATO. They are also paying thousands to vile people trafficking gangs. The ultimate irony of all of this is that many of them will end up in some form of modern slavery in the UK.
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Genuine question. What are you afraid of?

Are you afraid of Albanian males? Are you afraid that your Government aren't protecting our borders? Are you afraid that you won't be protected from criminals entering illegally because the Government have slashed police numbers? Are you afraid that asylum seekers are losing their lives on boat crossings? Are you afraid that asylum seekers are having to suffer disgusting treatment when entering and staying in the UK?
 
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