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BoroMart said:
Dijksteel should be first name on that team sheet, we need some pace at the back, we need a CB that is comfortable pushing forward.

McGree isn't a 10, too inconsistent in that role, we lack a midfielder who can push on and create something.....solve both those problems by dropping Mowatt and playing McGree in his proper role

Keeper, get Steffen back in when fit

Howson and Clarke on final warnings, buck up or bench, Bola and Luongo are waiting for their turn.

Oh and two strikers Watmore or Forss alongside Muniz
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We played djiksteel and Bola and Steffen and mcgree in midfield and 2 up top against QPR. We were three nil down at half time in that game too.
People laughed at Mclaren when he appointed bill beswick. I think we need a team of psychologists. Get Eileen drewery in too.
 
FatCat said:
What I don’t understand is why he isn’t flexible enough to change it earlier - it was obviously not working after twenty minutes - why wait until we are three down and half time. The manager has to take a lot of the blame for that tonight!
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He has to take all the blame, just about. You can't legislate for players not challenging for anything, but part of that was down to hoof ball from the center backs.
 
Alzi said:
Apologies should have fact checked that one! Only Hull have conceded more than us so far though. Awful.
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Yet we're the 4th highest scorers in the league. It's like we've completely flipped our trends, but unfortunately with a few players who have the old mentality. Who all started tonight.
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
We played djiksteel and Bola and Steffen and mcgree in midfield and 2 up top against QPR. We were three nil down at half time in that game too.
People laughed at Mclaren when he appointed bill beswick. I think we need a team of psychologists. Get Eileen drewery in too.
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we didn't have a focal point up top though, that makes a huge difference. I'm not saying my team would solve all the problems, but it would solve some and over a run of games would be better. McNair has been shocking for a while, he was at the back end of last season, rewatch the Preston game for a reminder. All 3 midfielders are slow paced, that pretty undeniable. Muniz is isolated when we have McGree at 10, that's pretty obvious too
 
Forget what happened in the 2nd half. Cardiff were 3 goals up and allowed us to have all of the possession. We can't be using that as an indication for anything. There were no positives to take from that game. The way we play is suicidal. We leave so many gaps at the back. Nobody knows who's job it is to close down, track runners or anything. Loads of bodies but none of them know what their jobs are.

Going forward we just look bereft of ideas in recent weeks. Hoofing balls aimlessly instead of playing football like we were playing last year. McGree is not a 10. The formation doesn't work at all.

I feel like I've been saying the same thing for weeks now. If I can see it why can't the management. Personnel is one thing and I understand they won't be happy with the squad they have but the constant chopping and changing, players playing in wrong positions and the switch from possession based attacks to hoofball isn't doing us any favours. It is clear that the manager doesn't trust half of his squad and the ones he does trust aren't performing.

There is 0% chance of promotion this season.
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
Some players aren't listening? They were all dreadful first half. Nothing to do with with the players picked or the formation. Or you being right and "loads of fans" being wrong.
They come out tippytoeing around. Missing easy passes. Every time we passed it from one defender to another they looked shocked they were being passed the ball. This team has got no bottle. We continue every game to just stop playing for at least 20 minutes. Usually 45. Doesn't matter who is playing. Or how unlucky we are. Or the refs being *****. Or how much better our xg is. Players need to show some belief and some mettle.
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We picked most of the back 4 that the bed wetters wanted.

I want the best 4 footballers at the back, steffen, lenihan, Dijk and toss up between bola/ Clarke depending on who we play.

xG and basic knowledge gave reasons, for earlier lack of results, along with bad ref decisions etc, but we were playing football and creating chances.
That doesn’t apply to this game, and it didn’t against Swansea or Sunderland when we were poor against them too. xG will have been good second half tonight, I reckon, we’ll see tomorrow. Our xG will have been 0 first half, as we never played football to create chances, main problem was at the back, like you say, giving it away.
 
Glover_elbow said:
Why is Clarke getting such an easy ride I don't want to ever see him in a Boro shirt again hes beyond atrocious
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BoroMart said:
that's a little OTT, he's had a couple of poor games but I'm not writing him off just yet
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Agree about not writing him off yet but that was appalling tonight.

Their third goal, the player runs past him and he doesn't even attempt to track him. Looking over his shoulders to see who else he can pretend he was marking.
 
It’s absolutely baffling how Wilder left it until half time to change things around, Cardiff had obviously done their homework on us and should have changed much sooner.
 
BoroMart said:
we didn't have a focal point up top though, that makes a huge difference. I'm not saying my team would solve all the problems, but it would solve some and over a run of games would be better. McNair has been shocking for a while, he was at the back end of last season, rewatch the Preston game for a reminder. All 3 midfielders are slow paced, that pretty undeniable. Muniz is isolated when we have McGree at 10, that's pretty obvious too
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Mcnair came on against QPR for djiksteel and we were much better. Watford he's terrible first half. Then Howson goes off and he steps into midfield and we play better. Was it Swansea where mcgree played no 10 and looked fantastic? Every player has been both good and absolutely dire.
I do agree we need someone up top with muniz, but then mcgree should be playing and if you put him in midfield we are too weak defensively. Leave him out and were too slow. There are strengths and weaknesses whichever way we play and whoever we play.
It's in their heads. We only played for a half under Warnock, but now we are worse and have developed a habit of conceding in stoppage time.
 
BoroMart said:
Dijksteel should be first name on that team sheet, we need some pace at the back, we need a CB that is comfortable pushing forward.

McGree isn't a 10, too inconsistent in that role, we lack a midfielder who can push on and create something.....solve both those problems by dropping Mowatt and playing McGree in his proper role

Keeper, get Steffen back in when fit

Howson and Clarke on final warnings, buck up or bench, Bola and Luongo are waiting for their turn.

Oh and two strikers Watmore or Forss alongside Muniz
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Yep on Dijk, we’re a different side with him playing.

I don’t mind mcgree at 10, when we use him as a link, but not as a player to chase lost balls or feed on crap long balls to muniz. I’m sure that wasn’t Wilders idea mind, but some defenders took that in their own hands. But yeah, I think mcgree is worth more to us in the middle, and basically takes mowatt out for watmore swapping for forss. Certainly mcgree in the middle at home/ against bad sides.

Howson was awful 1st half, largely as he was spending more time chasing the balls we handed them, rather than on the ball, he’ll have been knackered. But bucked his ideas up second half. Too late by then though.

Only positive is we fixed some problems from the first half, but far too late.
 
FatCat said:
Yes his first two games he looked good , a few sketchy performances since- hopefully he can find some consistency.
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I think he’ll be better with Steffan and Lenihan, seems reluctant to want to give it to Fry and Roberts, but I can understand why. I think lenihan and steffen would talk, and talk more in line with what we should be trying to do too. Don’t think we’ve had that combo yet, or with Dijk on the right.
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
Mcnair came on against QPR for djiksteel and we were much better. Watford he's terrible first half. Then Howson goes off and he steps into midfield and we play better. Was it Swansea where mcgree played no 10 and looked fantastic? Every player has been both good and absolutely dire.
I do agree we need someone up top with muniz, but then mcgree should be playing and if you put him in midfield we are too weak defensively. Leave him out and were too slow. There are strengths and weaknesses whichever way we play and whoever we play.
It's in their heads. We only played for a half under Warnock, but now we are worse and have developed a habit of conceding in stoppage time.
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I definitely watch the same football match you do 👍
 
Andy_W said:
We picked most of the back 4 that the bed wetters wanted.

I want the best 4 footballers at the back, steffen, lenihan, Dijk and toss up between bola/ Clarke depending on who we play.

xG and basic knowledge gave reasons, for earlier lack of results, along with bad ref decisions etc, but we were playing football and creating chances.
That doesn’t apply to this game, and it didn’t against Swansea or Sunderland when we were poor against them too. xG will have been good second half tonight, I reckon, we’ll see tomorrow. Our xG will have been 0 first half, as we never played football to create chances, main problem was at the back, like you say, giving it away.
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We played your team of footballers against QPR first half. We were *****. We were 3 nil down, creating nothing and playing terrible. The "basic knowledge" and reason we lost is because we kept on playing it out under a heavy press. When we stopped doing that we were much better.
I know you're trying to position this as luddite Boro fans but it's really not. We didn't play long because we had three clods at the back. We played long because every player was scared to receive the ball and every player was scared to pass it to another player for fear they would lose it. Like Howson did for the second.
We are wildly inconsistent within the space of 90 minutes and that's all in their heads. Regardless of formation or the selection of players on the pitch.
 
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