He could have stopped the car when the police directed him to
London: Chris Kaba
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JM14
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Forget the crime he committed for a second, no one is defending or disputing that
Statistically a black person is more likely to die in police custody. Look at the stop and search data it’s truly sickening, and when yet another black person is killed whilst unarmed the questions have to be asked if this is intuitional or not. You can probably decide for yourself based on the statistics but it’s really not been a very good few years for the met
Based on the information we have so far is it reasonable to end a car chase by aiming to kill the unarmed driver when the car was at a stop? Hundreds of similar crimes happen every day without someone ending up dead so why did they feel the need to use such force?
The type of person he was? you have said you don’t know all the facts but you claim to know the type of person he was. He may have had no trust in the Police and did not feel safe to stop, Have you not seen the story of the athlete and partner who were targeted by the police for no reason whatsoever, the chap has even changed his car so as not to draw attention but they still tried to pull him over. In fear of his own safety ,he drove to a place that had plenty of witnesses and light ,were he pulled over. The Police fabricated the reasoning for pulling him over yet again. The case is being investigated.
I’ve never heard of any of the joy riders around Middlesbrough being shot after a Police chase,have you.
Jonny Ingbar
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Firstly, comparisons between UK & US police really aren't helpful, given the huge difference between the legislation and cultures.
Secondly, this comment is so prejudiced in itself I'm not actually sure if you're trolling or not?
Racism, whether it's direct, unconscious or institutional is a societal issue, not one restricted to policing (the latter by the way is very commonly misunderstood in its definition).
I'm absolutely sure that armed police officers dread having to actually pull the trigger, because when they do its with the intent to take a life and the decision is always made in a micro second. Not a scenario I would ever like to be in.
Then there's the fact that their liberty, never mind their livelihood, is in jeopardy.
It's a fact that a disproportionate number of young black men are involved in gang crimes in our capital. The police react to that problem, in order to keep people safe.
Your general tone and approach to this issue isn't helpful, because it's so entrenched.
I don’t know the facts. I don’t know why the copper pulled the trigger.
You don’t have to be armed to be shot, it is not illegal as posted earlier.
The stop search powers shouldn’t have changed, that’s why teesside is rife with knife and drug crime.
Quicksilvera
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My comparison was the gunning down of unarmed black people. Kneeling on the neck until dead of unarmed black people.
Jonny Ingbar
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I'm not sure what point you're trying to make there?
The US is, I am sure, more entrenched in racism than the UK and their policing methods and consequences are reflective of that.
It's a fact that US police can shoot an kill suspects in circumstances that would see a UK officer imprisoned.
Cress
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The shooting is a homicide investigation. @rob_fmttm should we be careful commenting whilst the case is active?
Good that the march passed off peaceably in line with the family's wishes. Is every thread going to become a row?
Good that the march passed off peaceably in line with the family's wishes. Is every thread going to become a row?
Should be though , and no objections from me
Heam44
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Deserved isn’t a word I’d want to use.
And I’d like to point out that I know very little about this incident (having only become aware of it due to the creation of this thread).
However I believe the vehicle was being stopped due to being linked / involved in a firearms incident in the previous days. See link:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-62854660.amp
Also, it’s possible that the deceased was known to be involved with firearms due to the link posted by Kosovo earlier in the thread which states a Chris Kaba, aged 19 was charged with firearms offences in 2018.
Man, 19, charged with Canning Town shooting
A man has appeared in court following a firearms incident in Canning Town.
www.newhamrecorder.co.uk
Also I believe the BBC article states that the vehicle was involved in a pursuit
So the firearms officer knows he is approaching a vehicle that was very recently linked to a firearms incident, he may possibly have known the driver was Chris Kaba, and therefore likely known Kaba was linked to firearms offences previously (this information is routinely passed via police radio), if the article regarding a “Chris Kaba” being charged with a firearms offence is the same Chris Kaba. Also it’s possible that police intelligence linked Chris Kaba to that vehicle, and possibly linked him to the firearms offence in the previous days.
Bear in mind Kaba had failed to stop for police (according to BBC website), the officer certainly approached that vehicle suspecting that it was involved in a firearms incident in the previous days (BBC article), and possibly knew that Chris Kaba (possibly linked to firearms, as per historic article), was linked to the vehicle/driving the vehicle (either through police intelligence or due to having being identified by another officer or in fact the officer in question). Also police intelligence may have linked Kaba to the firearms incident in the previous days (entirely an educated guess on my part).
Lastly, if the vehicle has failed to stop for police, the officer in question knows the driver is actively wanting to avoid police, the officer will have instructed the driver to show his hands, if the driver / Kaba ignored those instructions and say acted in another way, the officer may have made the decision to shoot.
Jonny Ingbar
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Its a daft comment to be perfectly honest, there's obviously no gang culture in Middlesbrough and pretty much zero chance if any 'joyriders' being armed.
Not really , its a good deterrent, and if it stopped an innocent bystander being hurt/killed then its worth it , lets be honest if they do end up killing someone they get off very lightly as per the norm nowadays ,but maybe I should state that I think a joyrider doing double the speed limit in a built up area has the potential to do as much damage as anyone with a gun ,if they intended to or not , if they have stolen a car /or are fleeing police due to carrying drugs , after a robbery etc the potential is there to do some serious harm to somebody going about their daily business .
Quicksilvera
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Are you seriously suggesting shooting joyriders? Or have I got this wrong?
Stocko
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Yeah pretty much zero
my car was stolen a few years back, the next day whilst in my works vehicle, I saw a few lads get out of it and walk towards a house in Middlesbrough, I called 999 and the police were there pretty quick, by this time the lads had got back into the car and drove off, the police gave chase and found the car abandoned less than a mile away, engine still running and doors open, I followed the police and stopped near my car, a copper pointed to a weapon on the passenger footwell and said “lucky you didn’t approach these lads”
Marvanelli
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This post has for too much common sense for it to belong on this thread.Deserved isn’t a word I’d want to use.
And I’d like to point out that I know very little about this incident (having only become aware of it due to the creation of this thread).
However I believe the vehicle was being stopped due to being linked / involved in a firearms incident in the previous days. See link:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-62854660.amp
Also, it’s possible that the deceased was known to be involved with firearms due to the link posted by Kosovo earlier in the thread which states a Chris Kaba, aged 19 was charged with firearms offences in 2018.
Man, 19, charged with Canning Town shooting
A man has appeared in court following a firearms incident in Canning Town.
Also I believe the BBC article states that the vehicle was involved in a pursuit
So the firearms officer knows he is approaching a vehicle that was very recently linked to a firearms incident, he may possibly have known the driver was Chris Kaba, and therefore likely known Kaba was linked to firearms offences previously (this information is routinely passed via police radio), if the article regarding a “Chris Kaba” being charged with a firearms offence is the same Chris Kaba. Also it’s possible that police intelligence linked Chris Kaba to that vehicle, and possibly linked him to the firearms offence in the previous days.
Bear in mind Kaba had failed to stop for police (according to BBC website), the officer certainly approached that vehicle suspecting that it was involved in a firearms incident in the previous days (BBC article), and possibly knew that Chris Kaba (possibly linked to firearms, as per historic article), was linked to the vehicle/driving the vehicle (either through police intelligence or due to having being identified by another officer or in fact the officer in question). Also police intelligence may have linked Kaba to the firearms incident in the previous days (entirely an educated guess on my part).
Lastly, if the vehicle has failed to stop for police, the officer in question knows the driver is actively wanting to avoid police, the officer will have instructed the driver to show his hands, if the driver / Kaba ignored those instructions and say acted in another way, the officer may have made the decision to shoot.
''Alex-The-Kid said:
Don’t be surprised if the shooter is a privileged white male with right wing beliefs and voted for the Tory party.''
As for this comment
...completely unnecessary and it actually says more about you, than anyone else.My final thoughts on this are this , if the police ask you to stop , then stop , people who don't stop have a reason why they don't , and 99/100 those reasons are illegal activity , so be a good chap and stop , or force the police into a spit second decision that may have dire consequences .
Jonny Ingbar
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What was it, out of interest?