West Ham / Geordies - VAR

MolteniArcore

MolteniArcore

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I thought the West Ham decision was poor but the Newcastle one fine! You can't just pile into the goal keeper and wipe them out. It was hardly a push either.

Quite funny seeing them all wound up about it though :ROFLMAO:
 
MolteniArcore said:
I thought the West Ham decision was poor but the Newcastle one fine! You can't just pile into the goal keeper and wipe them out. It was hardly a push either.

Quite funny seeing them all wound up about it though :ROFLMAO:
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I thought that as well but I'm not an impartial observer. Neither is Alan Shearer like.

With or without the push the Newcastle player was clearly going to clatter the keeper, it's not like jumping straight up to challenge.

West Ham one was probably the worst VAR call I can remember, it really makes you think there's some bribery somewhere, certainly something corrupt.
 
Shearer's assertion that "there's nothing wrong with VAR it's the people running it" beggars belief. Of course Alan, you numpty, they're just the same refs as are on the pitch having to make judgement calls on what is a foul and what isn't.
As much controversy surrounds VAR as surrounded on pitch decisions previously. It's an expensive waste of time, predictably so. And don't anyone call for ex pros to man the VAR suite, what a bunch of people steeped in the cheating that is now accepted as part of the game?
 
chickenrunner said:
Shearer's assertion that "there's nothing wrong with VAR it's the people running it" beggars belief. Of course Alan, you numpty, they're just the same refs as are on the pitch having to make judgement calls on what is a foul and what isn't.
As much controversy surrounds VAR as surrounded on pitch decisions previously. It's an expensive waste of time, predictably so. And don't anyone call for ex pros to man the VAR suite, what a bunch of people steeped in the cheating that is now accepted as part of the game?
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Shearer really is thick as a plank
 
TeaCider said:
Both decisions were wrong for me.

Should have been a Newcastle penalty rather than the goal being allowed though.
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Agree on the Newcastle one, Willock is clearly shoved. However I'm not sure about the WHU one, Bowen's contact with Mendy doesn't seem entirely 'natural'. It looks as if he deliberately drags his trailing leg across the keeper's body, if so it's a foul. The keeper's ridiculous play acting afterwards is of no consequence.
 
chickenrunner said:
Shearer's assertion that "there's nothing wrong with VAR it's the people running it" beggars belief. Of course Alan, you numpty, they're just the same refs as are on the pitch having to make judgement calls on what is a foul and what isn't.
As much controversy surrounds VAR as surrounded on pitch decisions previously. It's an expensive waste of time, predictably so. And don't anyone call for ex pros to man the VAR suite, what a bunch of people steeped in the cheating that is now accepted as part of the game?
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It is the people that are the problem. The refs are useless and having multiple looks at an incident should give them the opportunity to make the correct decision. The fact they aren't just shows their incompetence. We all know how bad they are, they ref us without the assistance and get big calls wrong every single game. VAR should see a jump in refereeing standards because they can't use the excuse that they had to make a snap decision after one view. There has to be a push to improve refereeing.

VAR doesn't make decisions. It just let's someone's who's job it is to have more information to make the correct decision. Blaming VAR is like having a perfectly reliable car but the driver keeps crashing and then blaming the car.
 
chickenrunner said:
Agree on the Newcastle one, Willock is clearly shoved. However I'm not sure about the WHU one, Bowen's contact with Mendy doesn't seem entirely 'natural'. It looks as if he deliberately drags his trailing leg across the keeper's body, if so it's a foul. The keeper's ridiculous play acting afterwards is of no consequence.
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Just shows refs haven't got a chance.

My view is the total opposite of your view.

There's so much room for opinion in football that I think we'd be better of without using technology apart from goaline decisions and offsides.
 
Nano said:
It is the people that are the problem. The refs are useless and having multiple looks at an incident should give them the opportunity to make the correct decision. The fact they aren't just shows their incompetence. We all know how bad they are, they ref us without the assistance and get big calls wrong every single game. VAR should see a jump in refereeing standards because they can't use the excuse that they had to make a snap decision after one view. There has to be a push to improve refereeing.

VAR doesn't make decisions. It just let's someone's who's job it is to have more information to make the correct decision. Blaming VAR is like having a perfectly reliable car but the driver keeps crashing and then blaming the car.
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Both decisions were down to interpretation of the video evidence, there is no 'correct' decision. And that's never going to change. VAR has to be operated by people who are going to make judgement calls. Just because those judgements don't align with yours or Shearer's doesn't make them wrong.

I gave my interpretation to illustrate that there are different views of the same incidents. Am I 'correct', who knows?
 
For me Chelsea got away with one never a foul, just a slight collision. Keeper cheated and got decision.

Newcastle, Wilcox was pushed into the keeper , so penalty for me.

Also why is it so complicated, Liverpool v Everton, VAR call blue line given to Liverpool and red line to Everton. Why not give colours to match the teams
 
As I've stated I think Bowen deliberately made contact with Mendy and as such it's a foul. However if I'd been the ref on the pitch I'd have given the goal on the basis that I couldn't be 100% sure, it wasn't serious foul play and it had no influence on the goal being scored.
But VAR is far too analytical, too black and white. It has removed the option of a bit of 'fuzzy logic' to arrive at a decision.
 
Both wrong imho, but still subjective decisions so can see why VAR decided as it did. There will always be controversial decisions in football as laws, particularly fouls, are down to interpretation. VAR actually worked well in Merseyside derby, as no way would linesman have ruled that Coady goal offside in front of Gladwys St!
 
The West ham one was horrific. The worst part was the official got it right and gave the goal.

Then someone in his ear made him doubt his decision and almost always they will reverse it. The Stockley Park contact saying 'you may want to look at that again' basically comes across as you've got it wrong.

How he rewatched that and didn't stick with his original decision is beyond me. Absolutely shocking. Also every bit as much blame on the officials at Stockley Park for making him doubt himself. If anything Mendy should be booked for faking injury.

The Newcastle one was every bit as bad. They've had a few shockers against them this season.

The laughable part of all this is when var came out the pundits where saying 'what are we going to talk about as nearly every decision will he correct' 😂 😂
 
West Ham one was by far the worst VAR decision I've seen in a long time (maybe ever).

Newcastle one was very bad also.

Both referee's (both the match day official and VAR) should be heavily penalised and demoted immediately.
Based on those decisions, you'd think they literally have no clue about football.

Scandalous that both decisions were overturned by VAR.
 
It was interesting that Shearer praised a ref in one match for going to the screen but sticking with his original decision. "We need to see more refs sticking with their decisions when called to the screen" he announced. Fine but it just proves VAR is utterly pointless.
 
Both decisions were wrong to me but the worst decision of the day - which didn't get to VAR - was the disallowed Aston Villa goal.
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
Both decisions were wrong to me but the worst decision of the day - which didn't get to VAR - was the disallowed Aston Villa goal.
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Bad decision to blow his whistle, but I think the defending players definitely stopped when he did, so there's no guarantee that Coutinho would actually have scored if the ref had waited.
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
Both decisions were wrong to me but the worst decision of the day - which didn't get to VAR - was the disallowed Aston Villa goal.
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Yep. VAR couldn't get involved.

Then again, if the whistle wasn't blown, who's to say Mahrez wouldn't have closed him down?

It does look likely he'd have got the shot off and scored though.

The level of refereeing in this country is beyond pathetic.

Gets even worse the lower the leagues you go.

Every single week there's a f*ck up in our match (whether it's for or against us).
 
There is an integrity issue here at play not just in the premiership with VAR, the officials manipulate it to suit their agenda. They say that it evens itself out over the season however the 'preferred' teams always get more of the decisions going their way.
 
The villa 'goal' actually wasnt, because the officials stopped the game (albeit too early and wrong), and the city players had stopped. No whistling, and city players, especially Ederson would have been playing. Ederson would likely have saved it
 
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