Now confirmed JOHNSON did mislead/lie to parliament

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Eeeee, remember the time when MPs never told lies?
Me neither 😜
Not at this level no, not even slightly. we are talking constant, easily verifiable lies. Brexit, a campaign based on lies and Russian money, his shown it's fine to base your entire governance on flat out lying. It's the trigger that has sent this country into a steep downward spiral of standards and behaviours
 
On a thread about Johnson telling lies so regularly it is as if he is forced to by a higher being, it has somehow descended into the most incoherent defence of Brexit on here ever. Which is an achievement.

My dad was poorer than your dad, so up yours Delors!

Jesus wept.
TBF The "EC" is evil because Seville is a poor city is probably the STRONGEST brexit defence I've ever read. 🤣
 
Is this same_as_before guy OK? He seems to seriously be unwell. Does anyone know him away from fmttm to check on him
He's just stuck in the distant past, is obsessed with the EU (/EC), has a strong anti-German sentiment and is the self proclaimed 'man of the people sticking up for the working class without a voice of their own getting bullied by metropolitan elite of this board.
 
He's told thousands of lies about Brexit in parliament, he pretty much does it every time he opens his mouth. The current situation may not be about those lies, but as he's told so many, about so many different things, you can maybe treat this as a catch all?

His whole world (work, public and private), tenure and his party is based on a foundation of lies, and conning people/ tugging on their fears/ hate to get votes.

And of course Johnson uses brexit to deflect from everything and justify his own lies and behaviour.

How many times has he thrown "we got brexit done" into his responses when pressed on partygate? Not relevant, but if the PM is doing it then the two become linked. However uncomfortable some people are hearing about how spectacularly they got it wrong.

So of course it's relevant. Johnson is very clearly relying on the brexit issue to convince voters to let him off with anything. If enough people still think brexit is a good idea, or has been a success, then it might well work.
 
Assuage my own conscience.

This is why I don't bother with political threads. There is so much wrong with your reply, even ignoring your insult.

There was plenty wrong with yours and I engaged with it even after you insulted me.

Holier than thou, as usual.
 
He's just stuck in the distant past, is obsessed with the EU (/EC), has a strong anti-German sentiment and is the self proclaimed 'man of the people sticking up for the working class without a voice of their own getting bullied by metropolitan elite of this board.
When I read that he proclaimed himself the man of the people, it made me think of Teddy Picker by the arctic monkeys
 
Eeeee, remember the time when MPs never told lies?
Me neither 😜
It's more brazen, more often, more impactful and done within the walls of Parliament now. The point isn't that everyone was honest before, it's that the trajectory has been downwards, rapidly for about 6 years. To the level that if this were another country we would be mocking how bad they are and how that country was no longer a modern democracy.
 
It's more brazen, more often, more impactful and done within the walls of Parliament now. The point isn't that everyone was honest before, it's that the trajectory has been downwards, rapidly for about 6 years. To the level that if this were another country we would be mocking how bad they are and how that country was no longer a modern democracy.
The difference is that in the past MP's told lies to cover things up, hoping the lie wouldn't be discovered. Johnson tells lies knowing that everyone knows he is telling lies and not giving a flying fart about it.
 
The difference is that in the past MP's told lies to cover things up, hoping the lie wouldn't be discovered. Johnson tells lies knowing that everyone knows he is telling lies and not giving a flying fart about it.

I think it's slightly more than this; in the past politicians used a bit of double speak and gave non-answers. Boris will lie when he doesn't even need to.
 
And of course Johnson uses brexit to deflect from everything and justify his own lies and behaviour.

How many times has he thrown "we got brexit done" into his responses when pressed on partygate? Not relevant, but if the PM is doing it then the two become linked. However uncomfortable some people are hearing about how spectacularly they got it wrong.

So of course it's relevant. Johnson is very clearly relying on the brexit issue to convince voters to let him off with anything. If enough people still think brexit is a good idea, or has been a success, then it might well work.
Exactly he brings irrelevant aspects into the equation, to try and deflect from the main issue, he's been doing it for years.

It's like "Forget about that £100 I've just took from you, that you helped me take, and lets concentrate on this shiny £1 that I might give you. Ooooo, look how shiny it is, think what you could do with that extra £1 that I might give you."

It's not even like he got the brexit which most "brexiteers" wanted, to most of them, what we've ended up with should be seen as a bad result for them, as in reality, it is.
 
This reminds me of a similar debate a few weeks ago with a lad who was intelligent and articulate, you should learn from him.
He fell to bits when he said all Brexiteers are arrogant and stupid. It just so happened my ex school teacher wife, from the most deprived School in Cleveland was having a ladies at lunch, with her retired Head mistress and 3 other teachers. They wanted to know what I was laughing about, so I told them. A big big mistake they had all voted to Leave. In a way only women teachers can speak they wanted to know how they could get in touch with the bloke. I think you will agree With him about both arrogant and stupid, it's all part of the bogus left rather than caring teachers.

It went further the school they were at was rebuilt on PPI, the headmistress fought for years to get it, she did not give a fig about politics she cared about children.

When she left over 200 students who had left came to see her and my wife. See they are caring Left not your BS kind.

And I am immensely proud of her.
A bunch of retirees voted for something that retirees like.

Knock me down with a feather.
 
That's a poor attempt at some kind of false equivalence.
exactly, in terms of a politician Starmer although not whiter than white, is on the more honest end of hte spectrum, and if people are intellectually honest about it, it IS a spectrum, not just a binary "liar-honest person" categorisation. If it were binary everybody on the planet falls in the category of liar, because everyone has told a lie at some point.

So, now that we've established it as a spectrum, and that Starmer generally tells the truth, despite the media consistently trying to entrap him in comments for right wing click bait. Then now we look at the government, and Johnson in particular. Lying is his Modus Operandi, he's been sacked twice for it, he lied to the queen to prorogue parliament, he's lied to at least 2 of his wives about his fidelity, he's lied about how many children he has, he lied about the culture in number 10 of having parties while we were in lockdown and he lied about leaving the single market. The man even lies about his name, it's Alexander. Lying is more common than truth once you look into Johnson's history, not just white lies, not lies that impact no one, not misinterpretations, or good faith false statements, but blatant bare faced lies.
 
That's a poor attempt at some kind of false equivalence.
First off I never said it was equivellant. What I did do was point out that if Johnson isn't fit for office because he lies then surely the same thing can be leveled at starmer. He lied to the entire labour party. However it seems that people are prepared to accept that because starmer has a better chance than Corbyn at beging elected pm. At the very least it's hypocrisy.

As I have already said I don't want to get involved in the constant arguments on here, I have better things to do than wring my hands over something I can do nothing about.
 
He's just stuck in the distant past, is obsessed with the EU (/EC), has a strong anti-German sentiment and is the self proclaimed 'man of the people sticking up for the working class without a voice of their own getting bullied by metropolitan elite of this board.
Nah , I can suss out stuck up Middle Class off the book bogus Socialists. Your own little What's app group on here reading yesterdays Socialist Worker. I know I am right as Little Tory agreed with every word you say.

As for Germans how do you know I dislike them? Apart from being a nightmare to do business with, being unable to calculate vehicle emissions ( they kill people you know, ask anyone with Asthma, but you don't care) and wanting their towel in the sunbed I have zero issue with them.


Do you know what I am missing is the Buzz word; Neoliberalism, I hear it every day at work.

Get back to your little yes group and get nanny to take the kids to school whilst you have a Rioja. As an aide memoire, it's not to be chilled.

One of your Putin group wants me banned, sums it up really.

Socialists my rse.
 
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